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REP 2020

Post by kyzyrkyzyl » Wed, 21 Oct 2020 2:36 pm

Hi everybody,

Just checking for those who had submitted their re-entry permit this year, was your REP valid for only one year? wondering if it was due to COVID-19 or other reasons that my REP was only one year.

I’m a SPR for 20 years already, so far it had never limit my REP for one year, not sure why is it like that this time round.

Thanks in advance!

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Post by jamie9vardy » Wed, 21 Oct 2020 2:43 pm

kyzyrkyzyl wrote:Hi everybody,

Just checking for those who had submitted their re-entry permit this year, was your REP valid for only one year? wondering if it was due to COVID-19 or other reasons that my REP was only one year.

I’m a SPR for 20 years already, so far it had never limit my REP for one year, not sure why is it like that this time round.

Thanks in advance!
1. Are you physically in SG? Even if it’s a yes, have you been away for a prolonged period prior to this renewal?
2. Are you still gainfully employed in SG with regular CPF contribution and tax returns?

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Re: REP 2020

Post by kyzyrkyzyl » Wed, 21 Oct 2020 3:12 pm

1. Yes, I’m staying in SG. I grew up here, haven’t been away for prolonged period.

2. Graduated with degree 2 years ago and have been holding a full-time job till now. CPF contributions and paid my taxes already too.

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Re: REP 2020

Post by the observer » Wed, 21 Oct 2020 3:40 pm

This was floated in 2010. No traction then.
I'm just speculating, but you might be a prime candidate for citizenship.


September 8, 2010
Converting 10% of PRs to citizens "not a target": SM Goh's press secretary

By Joanne Chan | Posted: 08 September 2010 1912 hrs

SINGAPORE: The press secretary to Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong has said that the figure mentioned by Mr Goh about Permanent Residents who will be asked to take up citizenship, was only for "illustrative purposes".
Mr Ho Tong Yen was replying to queries following Mr Goh's comments at a dialogue session at Marine Parade on Monday.
Mr Goh was reported as saying that the government might approach ten percent of PRs in Singapore to take up citizenship and if they did not do so, their PR status would not be renewed.

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Post by kyzyrkyzyl » Wed, 21 Oct 2020 5:35 pm

If that’s the case, it’s quite relieving to hear. However, the gov didn’t approach me or my fam to take up citizenship. But I’m planning to apply this year.

Thought it might have something to do with cutting down the number of foreigners and PRs in sg so it got me worried.

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Re: REP 2020

Post by the observer » Wed, 21 Oct 2020 5:45 pm

I am not sure how much the gahmen sways to public opinion (kopitiam uncles mainly)

But one of the points highlighted are that long timer PRs (especially Malaysian Chinese), do not convert despite being here for 20-30 years.

And then this was raised in parliament last month.

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Re: REP 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:22 pm

Good example, this kopitiam uncle has been a PR over 25 years and a resident for 38 but still a PR. Married to a local girl for 37 years, now have two grown children, both married and by next week will be getting my 3rd grandchild. I like Singapore but just cannot easily give up my developed country (debatable at the moment) passport for a developing country. It has always been a point of contention. There will always be those who disagree with my assessment, and it is their right to do so, but until Singapore allows dual citizenship like other developed countries, she won't be one.

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Re: REP 2020

Post by BigginHill » Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:18 pm

the observer wrote:
Wed, 21 Oct 2020 3:40 pm
Mr Goh was reported as saying that the government might approach ten percent of PRs in Singapore to take up citizenship and if they did not do so, their PR status would not be renewed.
If not formally so, PR's are definitely positioned exclusively as the first stage of citizenship recruitment.

Since 2010, numbers have been stable at around 500k total PR population, 32k PR's/yr issued & 22k naturalized citizenships/yr issued, suggesting a substantial conversion rate of PR to citizenship around 70%.

It's a tall order forcing people to either become citizen or get out - however, I get the impression many PR's (in particular families w/children, which btw is also an important PR criteria) are more than happy to become Singapore citizens, even more so as PR benefits slowly erode, so I don't think force is necessary at all...

(SMS is an outlier :D)
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Re: REP 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 27 Oct 2020 12:31 am

True. ;-)

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Re: REP 2020

Post by david85 » Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:58 am

BigginHill wrote:
Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:18 pm
the observer wrote:
Wed, 21 Oct 2020 3:40 pm
Mr Goh was reported as saying that the government might approach ten percent of PRs in Singapore to take up citizenship and if they did not do so, their PR status would not be renewed.
If not formally so, PR's are definitely positioned exclusively as the first stage of citizenship recruitment.

Since 2010, numbers have been stable at around 500k total PR population, 32k PR's/yr issued & 22k naturalized citizenships/yr issued, suggesting a substantial conversion rate of PR to citizenship around 70%.

It's a tall order forcing people to either become citizen or get out - however, I get the impression many PR's (in particular families w/children, which btw is also an important PR criteria) are more than happy to become Singapore citizens, even more so as PR benefits slowly erode, so I don't think force is necessary at all...

(SMS is an outlier :D)
Just curious about the PR population which has been stable at around 500K even though 32K PR was given yearly for the past 10 years. It means every year around 32K PR loosing their PR status to make up the balance. I wonder how it can happen this way.

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Re: REP 2020

Post by jay1979 » Tue, 27 Oct 2020 12:24 pm

david85 wrote:
BigginHill wrote:
Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:18 pm
the observer wrote:
Wed, 21 Oct 2020 3:40 pm
Mr Goh was reported as saying that the government might approach ten percent of PRs in Singapore to take up citizenship and if they did not do so, their PR status would not be renewed.
If not formally so, PR's are definitely positioned exclusively as the first stage of citizenship recruitment.

Since 2010, numbers have been stable at around 500k total PR population, 32k PR's/yr issued & 22k naturalized citizenships/yr issued, suggesting a substantial conversion rate of PR to citizenship around 70%.

It's a tall order forcing people to either become citizen or get out - however, I get the impression many PR's (in particular families w/children, which btw is also an important PR criteria) are more than happy to become Singapore citizens, even more so as PR benefits slowly erode, so I don't think force is necessary at all...

(SMS is an outlier :D)
Just curious about the PR population which has been stable at around 500K even though 32K PR was given yearly for the past 10 years. It means every year around 32K PR loosing their PR status to make up the balance. I wonder how it can happen this way.
I would think some pr also moving on to citizenship also frees up the quota. However I leave the pros to answer correctly.

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Re: REP 2020

Post by PNGMK » Wed, 28 Oct 2020 3:18 pm

kyzyrkyzyl wrote:
Wed, 21 Oct 2020 2:36 pm
Hi everybody,

Just checking for those who had submitted their re-entry permit this year, was your REP valid for only one year? wondering if it was due to COVID-19 or other reasons that my REP was only one year.

I’m a SPR for 20 years already, so far it had never limit my REP for one year, not sure why is it like that this time round.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: REP 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Wed, 28 Oct 2020 5:43 pm

kyzyrkyzyl wrote:
Wed, 21 Oct 2020 3:12 pm
1. Yes, I’m staying in SG. I grew up here, haven’t been away for prolonged period.

2. Graduated with degree 2 years ago and have been holding a full-time job till now. CPF contributions and paid my taxes already too.
did you get PR via sponsorship? Just crossed 21 years? What is your current salary? NS?

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Re: REP 2020

Post by gizmogeek » Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:32 am

david85 wrote:
Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:58 am
BigginHill wrote:
Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:18 pm
the observer wrote:
Wed, 21 Oct 2020 3:40 pm
Mr Goh was reported as saying that the government might approach ten percent of PRs in Singapore to take up citizenship and if they did not do so, their PR status would not be renewed.
If not formally so, PR's are definitely positioned exclusively as the first stage of citizenship recruitment.

Since 2010, numbers have been stable at around 500k total PR population, 32k PR's/yr issued & 22k naturalized citizenships/yr issued, suggesting a substantial conversion rate of PR to citizenship around 70%.

It's a tall order forcing people to either become citizen or get out - however, I get the impression many PR's (in particular families w/children, which btw is also an important PR criteria) are more than happy to become Singapore citizens, even more so as PR benefits slowly erode, so I don't think force is necessary at all...

(SMS is an outlier :D)
Just curious about the PR population which has been stable at around 500K even though 32K PR was given yearly for the past 10 years. It means every year around 32K PR loosing their PR status to make up the balance. I wonder how it can happen this way.
Every year - 32 k new PR
Every year - 22k new SC ( not mention 1.5k by descent)
Every year - some PR pass-on, some voluntary leave SG like take other nationality, some force leave as REP cannot renew got job loss etc. - I guess this total number close to 6-10k
So every year overall remain stable, maybe just small increase.

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Re: REP 2020

Post by gizmogeek » Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:40 am

"some voluntary leave SG like take other nationality" - I meant take other country PR/nationality and no need SG PR. Also might go back home country (do not renew REP - all voluntarily)

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