PR application under parent's sponsorship

[applicant]

Hi,

I am a male, 20, and applied for PR under my parent's sponsorship in February 2017. Was previously a DP in Singapore for more than 10 years and have attended local schools for 10 years too.

My application is still 'pending'.

Just wanted to ask if there is anyone here who has applied for PR under his/her parent's sponsorship. If you did, how long did it take for your PR to be approved?

Thanks for reading!

[Strong Eagle]

What is your parents' background and legal status is Singapore? First gen PR? Citizen?

[applicant]

What is your parents' background and legal status is Singapore? First gen PR? Citizen?

Dad is first gen PR. Mom is EP.

[Strong Eagle]

Here is your big problem... why didn't you and your Mom apply for PR at the same time? For you, it looks like an obvious way for you to escape NS. Are you planning on doing NS if you become PR?

[applicant]

Here is your big problem... why didn't you and your Mom apply for PR at the same time? For you, it looks like an obvious way for you to escape NS. Are you planning on doing NS if you become PR?

I don't think you are understanding it.

I am definitely going for NS if I get my PR. The fact that I applied under my parent's sponsorship means that I am aware of my NS duties as a second generation PR. How is this "an obvious way for you to escape NS"?

Mom was busy with work during the application period, thus could not get documents ready to apply with me, but probably going to apply soon though.

[jamie9vardy]

I don't think you are understanding it.

I am definitely going for NS if I get my PR. The fact that I applied under my parent's sponsorship means that I am aware of my NS duties as a second generation PR. How is this "an obvious way for you to escape NS"?

Mom was busy with work during the application period, thus could not get documents ready to apply with me, but probably going to apply soon though.

I don't think SE misunderstood you. We need to establish why didn't your mom apply for PR together with dad then? And your DP is tagged to mom's EP?

More importantly, you're under DP for over 10 years and only to apply for PR at 20, which means you have past the NS enlistment age. I think this may well be how ICA is going to view it.

This board has witnessed enough examples of smart alec parents who kept their boys under DP or student pass just avoid NS over the years. We can't help but to think your case fits that pattern.

If you don't mind, what's your nationality?

[applicant]

I don't think you are understanding it.

I am definitely going for NS if I get my PR. The fact that I applied under my parent's sponsorship means that I am aware of my NS duties as a second generation PR. How is this "an obvious way for you to escape NS"?

Mom was busy with work during the application period, thus could not get documents ready to apply with me, but probably going to apply soon though.

I don't think SE misunderstood you. We need to establish why didn't your mom apply for PR together with dad then? And your DP is tagged to mom's EP?

More importantly, you're under DP for over 10 years and only to apply for PR at 20, which means you have past the NS enlistment age. I think this may well be how ICA is going to view it.

This board has witnessed enough examples of smart alec parents who kept their boys under DP or student pass just avoid NS over the years. We can't help but to think your case fits that pattern.

If you don't mind, what's your nationality?

First, Thanks for the long reply! I appreciate your feedback.

I would not like to disclose much, but I am originally from a country where military service is also mandatory. This means that I still have to do 2 years of military in my home country on top of serving the Singapore military.

That's 4 years of NS life. Is there anyone who wants that?

The reason why I decided to apply for PR now is that after I became old enough, I became sure of the fact that Singapore is my home. It has come to the point where I have to decide on living in Singapore or going back to my home country, and I would go on to attain Singaporean citizenship if Singapore grants me PR. This means that I would have to give up citizenship in my home country.

I believe this is a big issue, and my parents wanted me to make my own decisions when I'm old enough to do so and not regret later on. There is a substantial amount of CPF my mom gave up because of this. This is such a serious matter that, as far as I know, if I give up citizenship in my home country, I might be permanently barred from entering the country, even if I'm going for a short while.

Regarding age, the ICA officer-in-charge also clarified that being 20 is not a problem because I still meet the criteria of below 21 years old.

[sundaymorningstaple]

I see a pattern here, but unless I know the OP's nationality, I'll not be about to add anything not already said here.

sms

[sundaymorningstaple]

Nevermind. I'm going to take a stab in the dark here. If you have mandatory National Service in your country, and I am assuming you are a regional citizen (member country of ASEAN) or you wouldn't be so hush-hush, I think you are working using a bad sense of logic.

I know both Indonesia and Vietnam still have mandatory Military Service (as does Singapore). Singapore doesn't have any overt military issues with it's neighbours (yet).

Indonesia has many problems within it's own boarders but it is against the law for an Indonesian to do NS in Singapore as they will become a stateless person under Indonesian law from what I understand (you will have your citizenship revoked even if you don't have another country's passport, e.g., you will become a stateless person).

Vietnam, as far as I know, doesn't have this type of clause, but is more like the US was before 1975 (My son had to registered for the Selective Service in the US and was also obligated to do NS in Singapore thanks to dual citizenship. (But since the draft has been mothballed since '75 the US has maintained a 100% volunteer enlistment military). But it is feasible to have to do NS in two different countries if one of those countries is Singapore (which 'requires' PR's do to an NS obligation).

Now, the way I see it, OP is probably Vietnamese and only recently has the realization that he will be required to do Vietnamese NS where he has a very good chance of getting killed as things are not all hunky-dory with their northern neighbours (once again). So, in order to escape Vietnamese NS and it's inherent dangers, OP wants to now take up PR here and do NS here (and as he as given me the clue already), he is assuming that he can get Citizenship here after PR thereby avoiding NS in VN.

Now, there is only one small problem even if he gets his PR and does his NS here. There is no longer any guarantee that a PR who has done NS here will be given Citizenship here. That stopped a fairly good number of years ago. It can help, but, in the overall scheme of things, this alone will not be sufficient to get SC. So, if that is the OP's thinking, beware as you could be in for a rather big letdown. I know University Lecturers here from VN (who are PRs) and have VN wives that have been on LTVPs for a fair number of years and working on LoCs or other types of employment passes and still cannot get SC.

Good Luck, OP. I Think you are going to need it.

[taxico]

just to add on: within E and SE asia... there's thailand, cambodia, laos, taiwan and korea with conscription too.

i believe vietnam allows for some form of (permanent) deferment of NS for overseas vietnamese.

in any case, i think vn, cambodia, and laos have a "pay your way" scheme for deferring NS until they are no longer eligible due to age... and by developed nation standards, the fees involved are not high.

the OP could also be from outside of asia... (!)

[taxico]

First, Thanks for the long reply! I appreciate your feedback.

I would not like to disclose much, but I am originally from a country where military service is also mandatory. This means that I still have to do 2 years of military in my home country on top of serving the Singapore military.

That's 4 years of NS life. Is there anyone who wants that?

The reason why I decided to apply for PR now is that after I became old enough, I became sure of the fact that Singapore is my home. It has come to the point where I have to decide on living in Singapore or going back to my home country, and I would go on to attain Singaporean citizenship if Singapore grants me PR. This means that I would have to give up citizenship in my home country.

I believe this is a big issue, and my parents wanted me to make my own decisions when I'm old enough to do so and not regret later on. There is a substantial amount of CPF my mom gave up because of this. This is such a serious matter that, as far as I know, if I give up citizenship in my home country, I might be permanently barred from entering the country, even if I'm going for a short while.

Regarding age, the ICA officer-in-charge also clarified that being 20 is not a problem because I still meet the criteria of below 21 years old.

so you mean your mom stayed on EP so as to allow you to make a choice? in that case, i assume that you are a DP on your mom's EP.

if 4 years of NS life is what it takes for you to keep both citizenships, then you have (to want) to do it.

if being barred from your country of origin means you get to serve NS in only singapore, then you have to accept it.

however, without knowing your background (if you're from SE asia, it seems like you can only be from Thailand or Indonesia), it's hard for the members here to opine if you stand a good chance of becoming a PR or SC.

eg, if you're indonesian chinese (or perhaps even thai chinese), your chances will be probably pretty good. if you're from kazakhstan, maybe not so much.

so what will you do if SPR never comes within the time frame you expect (and what is your expectation)?

in that case, will you be forced (under the threat of some sort of prosecution) to go back to your home country in the near future to do a first round of NS (which you seem unwilling)?