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Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby inspiracoon » Thu, 06 Aug 2015 3:00 am

Hi!! I feel slightly embarrassed to ask about issues which have seemingly been addressed over and over again - but feel unsettled without a definitive answer. I'm extremely sorry if I've offended or annoyed anyone with my thread / my question (!!!!!!)

I am 18 this year, and I have Singapore PR, citizenship of a foreign country, and PR of a second foreign country (which I might migrate to permanently in 2016, after finishing my A levels).

From what I've read, I understand that a trip down to the ICA to renounce my PR would be sufficient for me to clear NS obligations - but since I did not perform well for my NAPFA, my enlistment date might end up being in the earlier days of December (for the PTP BMT batch), right after I've finished my A levels. While there's around 1 week from the end of my examinations to the earliest enlistment date of the December intake, I'm uncertain if that would be enough time for the entire renunciation procedure to take place. A part of me fears immigration might try to keep me in a sort of purgatory, and I'd end up having to do NS anyway.

I'm also unsure of how long the immigration department would allow me to stay in Singapore past my date of renunciation - and if I'd able to come back in the future for holidays (the country of my citizenship does not allow me visa-free access) :???:

PS: As much as I want to stay in Singapore for NS and beyond (as I truly love this country, and I've formed strong friendships that I would have a hard time leaving behind) :cry: , whoever is left of my family in Singapore plan to move to a third foreign country next year and our house would be sold, so I'd have nowhere to stay. my mother has also made it clear that she would not support me financially if I stayed behind - or maintain contact with me at all. i'm in an difficult position - I love Singapore very much, but it makes little sense for me to stay

TLDR: I'm a PR of Singapore possibly enlisting in December. If I renounce my PR the week before, would there be enough time for the procedure to fully run through? How long can I stay in Singapore past my renunciation? Thank you!!!! :)


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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 06 Aug 2015 3:20 am

You cannot renounce your PR and avoid NS at this late date. You either do NS or you are a deserter. If you do a runner from Singapore you can never come back. If you do, you will be arrested, fined and possibly jailed, and still have to do NS.

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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby inspiracoon » Thu, 06 Aug 2015 3:39 am

Strong Eagle wrote:You cannot renounce your PR and avoid NS at this late date. You either do NS or you are a deserter. If you do a runner from Singapore you can never come back. If you do, you will be arrested, fined and possibly jailed, and still have to do NS.


I thought that was only the case for citizens - and PRs are allowed to renounce their status up to enlistment? Other forum answers here (quoting madscientist and sundaymorningstaple) seem to suggest that tourist visas are possible, but only regaining EP or PR would be a issue. (of course, I do not have tangible evidence to back anything up here)

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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 06 Aug 2015 4:18 am

You have not read very closely at all. If you did not want to do NS, the process would have needed to start before your 13th birthday by your parents. You will have to do NS. Or you will face criminal charges if you do a runner and attempt to return.

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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 06 Aug 2015 7:02 am

inspiracoon wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:You cannot renounce your PR and avoid NS at this late date. You either do NS or you are a deserter. If you do a runner from Singapore you can never come back. If you do, you will be arrested, fined and possibly jailed, and still have to do NS.


I thought that was only the case for citizens - and PRs are allowed to renounce their status up to enlistment? Other forum answers here (quoting madscientist and sundaymorningstaple) seem to suggest that tourist visas are possible, but only regaining EP or PR would be a issue. (of course, I do not have tangible evidence to back anything up here)


Deleting your original post doesn't change the circumstances. You are Singapore PR here, 18 years old. You hold second PR elsewhere as well. You are about to finish A levels and want to finish school, then trot on down to ICA to renounce your PR. You think that you'll get called up for NS in December and are worried there won't be enough time to process your PR renunciation before you get called for NS service. Do I have the basics of your original post correct?

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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 06 Aug 2015 7:05 am

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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby the lynx » Thu, 06 Aug 2015 3:58 pm

This is another PR kid got screwed by parents. Let this serve as lesson to PR parents who think they/their kid can get away just like that.

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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby PNGMK » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 9:49 pm

Hang on guys... OP are you second generation PR? That is; are you the child of person who was a PR when you were born? IF so you have an NS obligation. IF you obtained PR as a 1st generation with your entire family then you may be classed a 1st gen PR. You need to find out from ICA.

FYI second generation PR definitely have an NS obligation. First generation are usually excused (but have to formally apply at CIMB - or at leased use to). IF you received an enlistment letter from CIMB then I'd assume you're 2nd generation and screwed but there may be a small chance of a door to squeeze through here is there is an error (unlikely).

(By the ways; your parents are being absolute dicks in this matter). You're going to have to stay here so start finding out where you can stay on your NS pay.

(Your mother makes my blood boil - for how many freaking years has she enjoyed peace and prosperity in Singapore at the cost of our son's doing NS? ).
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Re: Renunciation of PR before NS

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:27 pm

PNGMK wrote:Hang on guys... OP are you second generation PR? That is; are you the child of person who was a PR when you were born? IF so you have an NS obligation. IF you obtained PR as a 1st generation with your entire family then you may be classed a 1st gen PR. You need to find out from ICA.


Even if he obtained PR with his family, if he was a minor and sponsored by his parents, he is still a 2nd Gen PR. No way out except by the normal methods starting at the age of 13. Anyway, OP was locked out some time ago do to deleting his orginal post which I reinstated. But let this thread be a record for anybody else who is contemplating the same shenanigans.


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