NS liability for PR

bb1314 · Post by **bb1314** » Wed, 09 Jan 2008 8:49 pm

I'm a PR for almost 5 years, just got married with my husband who is holding working permit. (with approval from MOM)

I'm intending to sponsor my husband for the PR application. However, according to ICA and www.ns.sg, he'll be under 2nd generation PR which is liable to serve NS. But Under the Enlistment Act, it stated:

"all male Singapore Citizens and Permanent Residents (PRs) are liable to register for National Service (NS) upon reaching 16 1/2 years old. They are required to serve 2 years of full-time NS at 18 years old, followed by 40 days of Operationally Ready National Service per year till the age of 50 years (for officers) or 40 years (for other ranks)."

My husband is already 28 years old, do he still need to serve NS? I've asked ICA and ns.sg providing all infomation e.g. age. But the replies were very general e.g. "2nd generation PR is liable to serve NS". Isn't there a age limit? I'm seeking for a Yes/No answer so that we can re-consider for the application. Does anybody encountered the same situation? Many thanks in advance for any kind soul who can enlighten us.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:29 pm

How will he be 2nd generation PR? He is technically 1st generation PR unless his Father or Mother are PR's. Are you sure he's not elgible because his PR application will not be on technical merits but family merits? Until he is 40 he will have a liability. He probably will be given an exemption but they cannot tell you that. He is just going to have to wing it.

bb1314 · Post by **bb1314** » Thu, 10 Jan 2008 7:39 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:How will he be 2nd generation PR? He is technically 1st generation PR unless his Father or Mother are PR's. Are you sure he's not elgible because his PR application will not be on technical merits but family merits? Until he is 40 he will have a liability. He probably will be given an exemption but they cannot tell you that. He is just going to have to wing it.

That is what confusing me. I thought only children under parent sponsorship will be fall under 2nd generation PR. To my surprise sponsorship by wife also consider as the same category. This was told by ICA when I called up to enquire.

He is holding working permit. Work permit holder is not allowed to submit PR application. Unless he get a 'S' pass/EP first b4 submitting the PR application to enable him to be considered base on technical merits. That'll be more troublesome and take longer time for approval.

Application form for spouse of a SC/SPR is different from Technical Personnel Scheme. (Form 4 for spouse and Form 4A for Technical personnel). I presume if i submit Form 4 then he'll be only considered under family merits? Nobody can tell me that also.

Oh Gosh, shall I take the risk and apply for him? What if he need to serve 2 yrs FT NS upon the approval? That'll affect our life greatly e.g. income & his career. If he renounce the PR status later even worst. He probably will have problem even getting back the work permit.

bb1314 · Post by **bb1314** » Thu, 10 Jan 2008 8:24 pm

Just called up a friend of mine with similar situation as us - sponsored by wife and he is not required to serve NS. But that was 5 yrs ago and he was 24 that time. Hopefully the rules still remain same now. Which mean I'm going to apply for my husband. Wish us luck. In the mean time if anyone have more information, you're welcome to post here also.

shiki07 · Post by **shiki07** » Thu, 22 May 2008 12:27 pm

bb1314 wrote:Just called up a friend of mine with similar situation as us - sponsored by wife and he is not required to serve NS. But that was 5 yrs ago and he was 24 that time. Hopefully the rules still remain same now. Which mean I'm going to apply for my husband. Wish us luck. In the mean time if anyone have more information, you're welcome to post here also.

hi, am in a similar situation as you. My hubby's PR just got approved, i believe based on spousal sponsor as he's holding work permit.
Am also wondering if he may have to attend NS.
How's your case now? I tried to pm you but it says i don't have enough points to do so.
Pls pm me.
Thanks!

Post by **jpatokal** » Fri, 23 May 2008 1:55 am

This has come up before and it appears that, although there is no law or rule in writing anywhere that requires them to do so, NS is in practice waived for adult PRs who obtain their status through marrying a Singaporean/SPR.

shiki07 · Post by **shiki07** » Sat, 24 May 2008 8:42 pm

jpatokal wrote:This has come up before and it appears that, although there is no law or rule in writing anywhere that requires them to do so, NS is in practice waived for adult PRs who obtain their status through marrying a Singaporean/SPR.

Thanks for your reply

Seems like there's no definite answer to this. Wonder if there are any husbands out there who is required to do NS due to obtaining PR through spouse?

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sun, 25 May 2008 12:58 am

Again, I will repeat myself. Yes, if they are under 40 and they obtain their PR via spousal relationship, they are required to do national service by law. However, in actual practice, most (if not all - no anecdotal evidence) are, in practice, given waivers (but they must still register with the Central Manpower Base in order to get the waiver).

shiki07 · Post by **shiki07** » Sun, 25 May 2008 12:23 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Again, I will repeat myself. Yes, if they are under 40 and they obtain their PR via spousal relationship, they are required to do national service by law. However, in actual practice, most (if not all - no anecdotal evidence) are, in practice, given waivers (but they must still register with the Central Manpower Base in order to get the waiver).

Thanks for your rely.

SPR · Post by **SPR** » Mon, 26 May 2008 3:41 pm

newbie here, i'm 1.5yrs PR, but i did not yet include/apply my family for PR,
does my son(5 y.o.) also required to do NS when he reached 16 y.o.?
thanks!

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Mon, 26 May 2008 4:25 pm

If your son does not have PR nor is a Singapore Citizen he will not be required to do NS.

dereklim · Post by **dereklim** » Fri, 30 May 2008 8:50 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Again, I will repeat myself. Yes, if they are under 40 and they obtain their PR via spousal relationship, they are required to do national service by law. However, in actual practice, most (if not all - no anecdotal evidence) are, in practice, given waivers (but they must still register with the Central Manpower Base in order to get the waiver).

Hi, I think I'm in a similar situation, as on the PR application (sponsored by my wife) I thought that I will be a first generation, and now once it is approved, the letter said I may have to serve NS.

Sundaymorningstaple, you said that in practice most (I hope all) are given waivers, however, do you know if there is any conditions attached to the waiver, and how long does it take to get the waiver?

Thanks in advance.

Jeppo · Post by **Jeppo** » Fri, 30 May 2008 9:14 am

As I've said in other posts, my wife sponsored me 4 years ago, I got the letter to register. Took about 5 minutes to fill in a couple of details online and it came back to say they didn't want me. There have been other posts on this board that have said the same thing, have never heard of anyone who actually had to serve, only register.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Fri, 30 May 2008 1:44 pm

Thanks Jeppo.....

dereklim · Post by **dereklim** » Fri, 30 May 2008 2:46 pm

Thanks Jeppo and sundaymorningstaple! I'll formalise my application, and will tell you guys if they drag me to Pulau Tekong or not...

I hope not...

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