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Ukraine is f#cked!!!!
Singapore has a history of allowing people like him in...BedokAmerican wrote:I saw something about this on CNN today.
Do you have any idea where Yanukovych might be right now?
Apparently an arrest warrant has been issued but he fled Kiev by helicopter. He was reportedly seen in Sevastopol, although that hasn't been verified, according to news reports.
He's probably just driving up to his Sentosa Cove bungalow as we speak.PNGMK wrote:Singapore has a history of allowing people like him in...BedokAmerican wrote:I saw something about this on CNN today.
Do you have any idea where Yanukovych might be right now?
Apparently an arrest warrant has been issued but he fled Kiev by helicopter. He was reportedly seen in Sevastopol, although that hasn't been verified, according to news reports.
"Both politicians and nappies need to be changed regularly, and for the same reasons."
I don't think he is like a typical ruthless dictator. He is more like a person with troubled past who was not really competent for the position and have some questionable standards or just could not managed the situation. He comes from a very poor family what may explain his nouveau riche inclinations.
He is a member of very well know Eastern Ukrainian gangster clan - the one ruled by Rinat Akhmetov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinat_Akhmetov). Those are very dangerous people. His criminal past is well known in Ukraine, people just were closing their eyes since he seemed better alternative as a president after complete failure of Orange Revolution in Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution) - at least he seemed so to South-Estern part of Ukraine (West of Ukraine has own powerful gang clans, so he was a kind of "protector"). The tragedy is we have nobody now except those "oranges" who proved to be completely incompetent in ruling economy (Yulia Timoshenko is one of them - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Timoshenko). So it really looks like the war is not over... until some strong and capable leader emerges in Ukraine. But when???x9200 wrote:I don't think he is like a typical ruthless dictator. He is more like a person with troubled past who was not really competent for the position and have some questionable standards or just could not managed the situation. He comes from a very poor family what may explain his nouveau riche inclinations.
One of the biggest tragedies is that Vegetable (nickname of our president cuz of some linguistic reasons) abandoned all his soldiers: police force, SBU and internal army. They had to stand against raging mob while sometimes it was forbidden to have even shields: just hold your arms and don't let the crowd go through the line. They are portrayed by current opposition-in-power as some kind of fascists who were beating helpless people (???!!! people with spears, knives, guns, rifles, Molotov cocktails). And for political reasons they (including Timoshenko - I'm completely disappointed in her, before she was released I had at least some hope she can unite the country) don't even bother to mention that those guys were burned alive, beaten some to death or almost to death, stabbed by "peaceful protesters" while they were holding the line.
Nobody is in rush to disarm the mob even now. All police force is heavily repressed. There are cases that a whole bus with police stopped by a crowed, numerous mob entered and they were beating those officers, sticking petards and fireworks inside their armor, breaking their arms and legs - all by outright killing them (scary). They crucified a few of young guys from regular service (one was only 18 years old). Nobody cares, nobody pays attention. They let the mob to fill their stomachs with blood.
What country can function without police force? This is terrifying. Vegetable basically caused police to respond for everything he did and just left them on their own. He left us, South-East Ukrainians, on our own!
Young guys who were just following their orders (what could they do?) are now blamed, beaten, diminished, devastated, their families are pursued. A lot asked for refuge in Russia or Belarus.
Who will tell you all that? EU? US? Former-opposition-in-power? Timoshenko? They need to portray that war as people uprising and birth of democratic society (???!!??!?!?)
They are now talking to shrink the police force in Ukraine from 400,000 people to 80,000 people. For Christ sake, Ukraine is a highly criminalized country! You remove 7/8 of police force from there, it will be impossible to set your foot on that land without getting killed!
Nobody is in rush to disarm the mob even now. All police force is heavily repressed. There are cases that a whole bus with police stopped by a crowed, numerous mob entered and they were beating those officers, sticking petards and fireworks inside their armor, breaking their arms and legs - all by outright killing them (scary). They crucified a few of young guys from regular service (one was only 18 years old). Nobody cares, nobody pays attention. They let the mob to fill their stomachs with blood.
What country can function without police force? This is terrifying. Vegetable basically caused police to respond for everything he did and just left them on their own. He left us, South-East Ukrainians, on our own!
Young guys who were just following their orders (what could they do?) are now blamed, beaten, diminished, devastated, their families are pursued. A lot asked for refuge in Russia or Belarus.
Who will tell you all that? EU? US? Former-opposition-in-power? Timoshenko? They need to portray that war as people uprising and birth of democratic society (???!!??!?!?)
They are now talking to shrink the police force in Ukraine from 400,000 people to 80,000 people. For Christ sake, Ukraine is a highly criminalized country! You remove 7/8 of police force from there, it will be impossible to set your foot on that land without getting killed!
This is a tragedy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2-MlPc ... ata_player
No, are were heroes among the demonstrators - they were fighting against corrupt government. And there are heroes on the other side: those who died fulfilling their duty for the country - executing orders of someone who fled and sacrificed them all.
In Lviv special forces were begging for mercy on their knees. Two of them refused, locked themselves in a building - the crowd burned them alive. Who they died for? That ugly bastard with golden toilet?
The war is still on. Very unusual war - where part of the country which is in control is trying to exterminate its own law enforcement. They don't think what they're doing - those who got the power just yesterday - they are pleasing those who "won".
That wasn't victory. The commanders fled, and the soldiers gave up. Only to be humiliated and executed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2-MlPc ... ata_player
No, are were heroes among the demonstrators - they were fighting against corrupt government. And there are heroes on the other side: those who died fulfilling their duty for the country - executing orders of someone who fled and sacrificed them all.
In Lviv special forces were begging for mercy on their knees. Two of them refused, locked themselves in a building - the crowd burned them alive. Who they died for? That ugly bastard with golden toilet?
The war is still on. Very unusual war - where part of the country which is in control is trying to exterminate its own law enforcement. They don't think what they're doing - those who got the power just yesterday - they are pleasing those who "won".
That wasn't victory. The commanders fled, and the soldiers gave up. Only to be humiliated and executed.
Fresh one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRCXR7457OI
A crowd rips off an eye from police officer who is dragged to be publicly humiliated. The voice from the stage is calling for justice and restrain, tells the crowd not to harm prisoners (who is listening?). In the end of the video the medic and some guys from the crowd argue whether to leave the kid alone, call an ambulance or just to bring him to some doctor to take a look (the medic is in favor or the last option, while the journalists want ambulance, crowd just want to leave the guy like that).
So as I see a certain group of people and their supporters who are also citizens of the same country, is being repressed and persecuted. I wonder, will it be North Koran or Somalian scenario? Still some glimpse of hope, the situation can be ruled out somehow.
This is our open letter to everyone who stands for peace for all peoples from the citizens of Ukraine
http://stopnazism.net/articles/kategori ... f_ukraine/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRCXR7457OI
A crowd rips off an eye from police officer who is dragged to be publicly humiliated. The voice from the stage is calling for justice and restrain, tells the crowd not to harm prisoners (who is listening?). In the end of the video the medic and some guys from the crowd argue whether to leave the kid alone, call an ambulance or just to bring him to some doctor to take a look (the medic is in favor or the last option, while the journalists want ambulance, crowd just want to leave the guy like that).
So as I see a certain group of people and their supporters who are also citizens of the same country, is being repressed and persecuted. I wonder, will it be North Koran or Somalian scenario? Still some glimpse of hope, the situation can be ruled out somehow.
This is our open letter to everyone who stands for peace for all peoples from the citizens of Ukraine
http://stopnazism.net/articles/kategori ... f_ukraine/
Large scale hunting for police officers in Kiev who amidst chaos strayed away from their units and appeared out of their dislocation points at the wrong time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5fjFyHsLy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5fjFyHsLy4
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I'm kind of surprised Yanukovych (or even his helicopter) hasn't been located. Seems like it would be hard to hide a helicopter, although I'm not familiar with topography in Ukraine.
You think he'll seek asylum in Russia? Or is he too high-profile to even live there and is it too easy for Ukrainian authorities to get to him? Maybe North Korea will take him (hint of sarcasm). Hopefully not Singapore.
You think he'll seek asylum in Russia? Or is he too high-profile to even live there and is it too easy for Ukrainian authorities to get to him? Maybe North Korea will take him (hint of sarcasm). Hopefully not Singapore.
Nobody is looking for him except raging extremists (they burned a house of the liader of Ukrainain Communist party yesterday). Police is busy with their own problems - they're being smashed and humiliated. Special forces in the whole Ukraine ("Berkut") were disbanded, all with ban to join anything related to police for 10 years. What current "authorities" are planning to organize instead special forces - nobody knows. Special forces are used to fight organized crime (we have plenty). Looks like nobody cares until it hits HARD - the foundation of the whole country is being broken to please those former opposition leaders who gained their power with blood.BedokAmerican wrote:I'm kind of surprised Yanukovych (or even his helicopter) hasn't been located. Seems like it would be hard to hide a helicopter, although I'm not familiar with topography in Ukraine.
You think he'll seek asylum in Russia? Or is he too high-profile to even live there and is it too easy for Ukrainian authorities to get to him? Maybe North Korea will take him (hint of sarcasm). Hopefully not Singapore.
One news abt Yanukovich is that he is declared wanted for mass murder just today. Who will search for him? You better watch those youtube videos from my recent posts - what is happening with police. Will people respect the country they live in after that?
I like that. Here's a musical equivalent...x9200 wrote:I saw this somewhere a while ago:
The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again
Meet the new boss!
(Same as the old boss)
Be careful what you wish for
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