Ukraine is f#cked!!!!

[ecureilx]

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I find it very strange that we've not heard anything of the air traffic controller voice recordings with MH17 pilots. It has been more than a week.

If you recall, voice recordings was the first thing that the Malaysian government released to the public for MH370.

no conspiracy there I say

from what I know from my previous employers ... and if I remember correctly ..

if you over-fly over a part of A country but B country has traffic control / vector, you do not need to communicate with A country ... unless you declare a Pan or Mayday ... if not you go on to establish comms with country C.

some countries in Asia too have traffic control over parts of their neighborhood. I think Singapore FIR covers a vast area over South China Sea ..

if there was no imminent handover then there is no ATC involved from Ukraine, I am sure

are you too suggesting Ukraine shot it down to discredit Russia :...

some theorists have gone on to link USA of having aided Ukraine to do so ...

[touchring]

Dear Sergey, it's the same with Ukrainians forcibly drafted into the army now being sent to Lugansk. Their wives are crying too.

Either you're provocateur or you have Down syndrome.

If you are Russian yourself, you have nothing to do in the thread at all.

Sane people understand the difference between:
1) threat to be killed by foreign invaders,
2) threat to be killed protecting your own country from foreign invaders.

And yes - when your country is under attack, if you do not want to be mobilized, you WILL be mobilized anyway BY FORCE, or arrested for deserting and mobilized anyway. I do not know a single country in the world where it is different.

And yes, just now a huge convoy pf 24 Russian trucks and 20 units of tanks and APCs crossed Ukrainian border in Lugansk direction. In your opinion, those who don't want to protect Ukraine need to go back to crying wives and wait for those tanks to come for them and their children (I don't even understand why am I replying to such a retarded post, I should definitely stop that)

Putin spits on sanctions, he doesn't care about MH17. He NEVER in 15 years of ruling admitted a single mistake of hs own, he always chooses the worst scenario, he always replies to force by even more force, he never stopped at anything. No reason for him to change now.

I'm not pro-Putin. I read my post again and can see that I wasn't sensitive. I apologize for that.

All I wish is that the fighting will stop so peace can return to East Ukraine.

[Sergei82]

2 days ago 2 Ukrainian military airplanes were taken down at height of 5+ km. High enough to be out of reach for anything non-sophisticated. And that's after a week of shitting everybody they don't have means to shoot down a plane.

[touchring]

Here, take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkzi6-zz55M

And EU with US are trying to mess up with what is happening over there! In most of EU countries if rioters start beating and showering police officers with Molotov cocktails like in Ukraine, the police will deal with the riot briefly and violently. It is only in Ukraine police must do nothing and just get beaten. Because if they do at least something, US and EU will immediately bring funds to support extremists (rightful people against despotic government) - they love it!
Btw, opposition itself denying any involvement in this. It is arranged by only 1 extremist political party. Other opposition leaders tried to stop the mob and got water gun straight into them. Many police officers are hospitalized in critical condition. At least one of them was held as hostage beaten and with broken ribs (one opposition party - not "evil" government - arranged his escape by dressing him in civilian clothes and letting through the mob).

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world ... .html?_r=0

Arseniy Yatsenyuk resigns after failing to sell the pipelines to pay for the revolution expenses and reservist salaries.

[Sergei82]

For those who don't bother ti read that, the article is named like this:

Ukraine Prime Minister Resigns as Key Coalition in Parliament Falls Apart

And also below it is said:

Nikolay Khalip contributed reporting from Moscow.

Bastard tourching is playing the game of words YET AGAIN! His quote says nothing about pipelines as well.

So yes, he resigned, he had reasons - far from anything related to pipelines. But don't worry, the ATO is not affected. Tourching, keep licking ass of your God - Putin. There is at least one 45 million people nation in this world which will hate rejects like you from now to the rest of their lives, and will pass this hatred generations ahead.

[nakatago]

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I find it very strange that we've not heard anything of the air traffic controller voice recordings with MH17 pilots. It has been more than a week.

If you recall, voice recordings was the first thing that the Malaysian government released to the public for MH370.

no conspiracy there I say

from what I know from my previous employers ... and if I remember correctly ..

if you over-fly over a part of A country but B country has traffic control / vector, you do not need to communicate with A country ... unless you declare a Pan or Mayday ... if not you go on to establish comms with country C.

some countries in Asia too have traffic control over parts of their neighborhood. I think Singapore FIR covers a vast area over South China Sea ..

if there was no imminent handover then there is no ATC involved from Ukraine, I am sure

are you too suggesting Ukraine shot it down to discredit Russia :...

some theorists have gone on to link USA of having aided Ukraine to do so ...

My favorite conspiracy theory is that the USA already shot down the plane. With all passengers dead, they flew the plane to Amsterdam (with all the corpses on board) then flew it over the Ukraine. The pilot then parachuted out, then detonated a bomb over Ukrainian airspace, pinning the blame on pro-Russian or Russian troops.

[ecureilx]

My favorite conspiracy theory is that the USA already shot down the plane. With all passengers dead, they flew the plane to Amsterdam (with all the corpses on board) then flew it over the Ukraine. The pilot then parachuted out, then detonated a bomb over Ukrainian airspace, pinning the blame on pro-Russian or Russian troops.

similiar to what I saw a while ago, that the plane in the field in Ukraine is actually 9M-MRO (MH370) and the registration is visually closer to 9M-MRD (MH17)

to destroy evidence of accidental shooting of MH370, US has mixed both wreckages

creative minds at work? NOT

[the lynx]

My favorite conspiracy theory is that the USA already shot down the plane. With all passengers dead, they flew the plane to Amsterdam (with all the corpses on board) then flew it over the Ukraine. The pilot then parachuted out, then detonated a bomb over Ukrainian airspace, pinning the blame on pro-Russian or Russian troops.

similiar to what I saw a while ago, that the plane in the field in Ukraine is actually 9M-MRO (MH370) and the registration is visually closer to 9M-MRD (MH17)

to destroy evidence of accidental shooting of MH370, US has mixed both wreckages

creative minds at work? NOT

Then how would you reconcile the passenger manifest of two airlines which is twice the capacity of one plane found smouldering near the border town of east Ukraine?

[ecureilx]

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Then how would you reconcile the passenger manifest of two airlines which is twice the capacity of one plane found smouldering near the border town of east Ukraine?

the same as how some answered that when 911 happened no planes hit the twin towers, it was all smoke and mirror etc etc ... then there too is the same question .. where are the passengers on the 4 planes then?

theorists .--

[the lynx]

I'm trying to imagine the logics and mechanics behind the conspiracy theories based on presented evidences over the years for 911 case, and now MH17.

[Sergei82]

Btw, if somebody hasn't read yet - Su-25 airplain that according to Russians shot down MH17, can't go higher than 5 km (not with pilots alive) and is intended to take out only ground targets.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Could an air to air missile launched by the SU-25 go higher than 5 km?

[JR8]

I'm trying to imagine the logics and mechanics behind the conspiracy theories based on presented evidences over the years for 911 case, and now MH17.

It's a fools game trying to find logic in conspiracy theories. Precisely because they lack any logic, they are difficult if not impossible to logically disprove.

[JR8]

I'm trying to imagine the logics and mechanics behind the conspiracy theories based on presented evidences over the years for 911 case, and now MH17.

It's a fools game trying to find logic in conspiracy theories. Precisely because they lack any logic, they are difficult if not impossible to logically disprove.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Good link, that elaborates on the point I was trying to make.

[Sergei82]

Could an air to air missile launched by the SU-25 go higher than 5 km?

Who the hell knows, but is probability high? Is SU-25 capable of shooting radar-guided missiles? Moreover, "witnesses" saw SU-25 right beside MH17... at its unreachable height?