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Postby Sergei82 » Thu, 22 May 2014 10:26 pm

JR8 wrote:What an awful situation.

I wonder if there is anything that be done to rein Putin in.


With such a strong pro-Russian lobby in EU? Your prince Charles tried to say something. Go look what he is getting now!

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Postby Sergei82 » Mon, 26 May 2014 10:55 am

Finally we (Ukrainians) have a president: Petro Poroshenko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poroshenko), our "chocolate king".

He owns a confectionery business in Ukraine - his Roshen chocolate (Roshen is a part of his surname - Poroshenko) is reaching far across the globe, it is not only available in Ukraine - I was enjoying it when I was living in South Korea, trying to find it in Singapore. Just started searching, but I won't be surprised it was always somewhere there in Fair Price, I just did not pay attention due to my diet.

Google: "Roshen Singapore" if you want to support us. :)

People will drown him in his own chocolate before he f#cks up the country, so he'd better be nice to us. :mrgreen:

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 26 May 2014 11:19 am

Sergei82 wrote:
JR8 wrote:What an awful situation.
I wonder if there is anything that be done to rein Putin in.


With such a strong pro-Russian lobby in EU? Your prince Charles tried to say something. Go look what he is getting now!


Prince Charles made a private comment to someone, that was made public.

That said, he is an extremely wise and informed man, albeit rather gagged by the position he has found himself born in to.

His father (the Duke of Edinburgh, the Queen's husband) has something of reputation for 'making observations, as he sees them', however wonderfully and deliciously politically incorrect they are.

Prince Charles completely needled Putin. He's like one of the few people of stature able to point out that the Emperor really isn't wearing any clothes. Which is why, the Little-Hitler-clone got into such a gay-bitch-slap-tizzy about it. Does Charles care... I doubt it, I expect he's a little bemused, but likely laughing his socks off.

No State visits for Putin anytime soon ... hehe....

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Postby Sergei82 » Mon, 26 May 2014 11:32 am

JR8 wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:
JR8 wrote:What an awful situation.
I wonder if there is anything that be done to rein Putin in.


With such a strong pro-Russian lobby in EU? Your prince Charles tried to say something. Go look what he is getting now!


Prince Charles made a private comment to someone, that was made public.

That said, he is an extremely wise and informed man, albeit rather gagged by the position he has found himself born in to.

His father (the Duke of Edinburgh, the Queen's husband) has something of reputation for 'making observations, as he sees them', however wonderfully and deliciously politically incorrect they are.

Prince Charles completely needled Putin. He's like one of the few people of stature able to point out that the Emperor really isn't wearing any clothes. Which is why, the Little-Hitler-clone got into such a gay-bitch-slap-tizzy about it. Does Charles care... I doubt it, I expect he's a little bemused, but likely laughing his socks off.

No State visits for Putin anytime soon ... hehe....

He apologised recently somewhat ambiguously: sorry for comparing Hitler with Putin, Hitler was such-and-such a bad guy (not a word more about Putin).

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Postby Sergei82 » Mon, 26 May 2014 10:42 pm

ATO finally reached Donetsk!!!

Terrorists dug in at the airport. There are helicopters and jet fighters. Finally! My friends are happy, though scared as hell - they were waiting for it fpr 2 months. Will call parents later - there is some battle in the city as well with Chechens that arrived just yesterday. Father is already excited in Facebook. :)

Live stream below in this link (disregard Russian language, just watch the picture):
http://obozrevatel.com/crime/23548-v-donetskom-aeroportu-nachalas-ato-vyisadilsya-desant-smi.htm

The hope is finally there!!!

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 27 May 2014 9:39 am

Sergei82 wrote:ATO finally reached Donetsk!!!

Terrorists dug in at the airport. There are helicopters and jet fighters. Finally! My friends are happy, though scared as hell - they were waiting for it fpr 2 months. Will call parents later - there is some battle in the city as well with Chechens that arrived just yesterday. Father is already excited in Facebook. :)

Live stream below in this link (disregard Russian language, just watch the picture):
http://obozrevatel.com/crime/23548-v-donetskom-aeroportu-nachalas-ato-vyisadilsya-desant-smi.htm

The hope is finally there!!!


I'm confused by what on earth is going on.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27578440

The Russians (and pro-Moscow rebels/'terrorists') started by annexing Crimea, and are now trying to split Ukraine into east and west?

I believe that the ethnic 'Ukrainian Russians' believe they're being treated as 2nd class citizens, but is a pro-Moscow invasion and war going to resolve anything? And now the Chechens (of all the vile thugs in the world) are turning up ...

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Postby Sergei82 » Tue, 27 May 2014 10:08 am

JR8 wrote:I believe that the ethnic 'Ukrainian Russians' believe they're being treated as 2nd class citizens...


I am a 'Ukrainian Russian', JR8, and what you've just said is totally mirroring Russian propaganda, in other words - its CRAP! Moreover, it is very strong pro-Russian lobby in Ukraine for the past decade made native Ukrainian speakers feel 2nd sort citizens and rebel. Russian speakers always felt superior in Ukraine, pro-Russian political forces were portraying Ukrainian speakers as weirdos or animals of some kind.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 27 May 2014 11:04 am

I'm mirroring Russian propaganda?

Wow, if anything I though I was sticking up for Ukrainian independence vs foreign invaders...

But, like I originally said, I have great difficulty making head or tail of the entire situation. And I'm probably not alone in that.

Could you perhaps try and make a summary, in perhaps 10 sentences? For the sake of impartiality it would also assist if you could try and fairly point out where your family's situation rests within all of this. Or, just point me towards a 1.01 explanation on the web, I've looked but cannot find one.

Either way, I hope your family are ok.

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Postby Sergei82 » Tue, 27 May 2014 1:10 pm

Isn't what I wrote above a summary? 70 years in USSR we were taught of superiority of Russian language and culture - 15 countries with their own culture! Not enough time passed to eradicate hatred for all non-Russian in Ukrainian society.

I witnessed some people who were born in Ukraine, but disdain all Ukrainian - it is so close to Russian culture. Of course it is partially due to high level of corruption and lower HDI than that of some parts of Russia (with the same corruption level, if not worse, they have enough natural resources to offset problems in a few key regions - Moscow and Saint Petersburg, while all other country is just as low), other thing - Russia never stopped propaganda that there never was any Ukraine - it is just far West Russian territory with different dialect. Even though, now those people I knew are totally against Russian invasion realizing what is really going on. They accept they are Russians, but they acknowledge they are citizens of different country (unfortunately in English it is only 1 word for Russian as an adjective and for Russian as a citizen of Russia - those are different words in Russian language). For a lot of criminals, jobless and marginal elements in Donetsk Russian invasion is a chance for different life, since they have nothing to lose.

Some people, including historians, even compare Russians with plague and call former Russian Empire "a prison of nations": wherever Russians settle, they refuse to learn local language, to assimilate with local culture, they start russifying everything they can and ultimately claim the land as their own, destroying remainders of indigenous culture and simply killing everyone who resists.

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Postby Sergei82 » Tue, 27 May 2014 11:37 pm

This is Donetsk for the last 2 days:

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I wonder how these freak are planning to portray themselves as Donetsk self-defense and merge with locals, but for many it is still quite a huge surprise why Chechens after 2 wars with Russia are easily executing Putin's orders. Very violent and vengeful nation, btw. All Muslims.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 28 May 2014 1:16 am

Sergei82 wrote:Very violent and vengeful nation, btw. All Muslims.


Aren't you one also now?

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Postby Sergei82 » Wed, 28 May 2014 10:03 am

zzm9980 wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Very violent and vengeful nation, btw. All Muslims.


Aren't you one also now?

Are Muslims a nation or I meant something else?

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Postby Aragorn2000 » Wed, 28 May 2014 10:27 am

Sergei82 wrote:Some people, including historians, even compare Russians with plague and call former Russian Empire "a prison of nations": wherever Russians settle, they refuse to learn local language, to assimilate with local culture, they start russifying everything they can and ultimately claim the land as their own, destroying remainders of indigenous culture and simply killing everyone who resists.


Sounds similar to the Borg in Star Trek - "Resistance is futile" :lol:

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Postby Sergei82 » Wed, 28 May 2014 11:16 am

If you resist, Russia turns you from this

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into this:

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(Grozny, Chechen wars)

Try comparing with what Ukrainian military do.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 28 May 2014 11:38 am

Sergei82 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Very violent and vengeful nation, btw. All Muslims.


Aren't you one also now?

Are Muslims a nation or I meant something else?


You're talking bad about Muslims, that's all.

Why the conversion anyway? After your recent bout of goofy posts I'm guessing Malaysian GF? :P


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