Ukraine is f#cked!!!!

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Thu, 17 Apr 2014 6:56 pm

[quote]Breaking news from the group “Information Resistance”

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 1:11 pm

http://www.wimp.com/sandlight/

I've seen some of her work before, but she is awesome and I just thought I'd add it to this thread seeing it is a reminder of something that happened a long time ago as well.

taxico · Post by **taxico** » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 1:26 pm

sergei: i've not been following ukraine's situation (and this thread) closely...

may i ask if you think software development companies based there will be negatively impacted?

my wife's in the midst of making an extremely expensive software (50k) through a ukrainian company and she definitely doesn't want her investment to go up in smoke.

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 3:28 pm

If there is war, everything will be impacted. But for now Kiev is calm and far from troubled East.

taxico · Post by **taxico** » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 5:57 pm

Sergei82 wrote:If there is war, everything will be impacted. But for now Kiev is calm and far from troubled East.

thanks for your input. i'll let the wife know and see what happens.

their area code is 057... which i found out is kharkiv... which seems too east for my comfort...

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Thu, 24 Apr 2014 9:54 am

taxico wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:If there is war, everything will be impacted. But for now Kiev is calm and far from troubled East.
thanks for your input. i'll let the wife know and see what happens.

their area code is 057... which i found out is kharkiv... which seems too east for my comfort...

You decide:

https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/ ... 44749.html

Far from East means East is not good.

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:25 am

Notorious last-week leaflet related to Jews:

http://www.heavy.com/news/2014/04/ukrai ... sk-russia/

Leaflet Asks Eastern Ukrainian Jews to Register: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 7:39 am

ATO in Slovyansk is finally in progress. Can google a lot of interesting news.

Post by **x9200** » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 8:22 am

Sergei82 wrote:Notorious last-week leaflet related to Jews:

How do they know who is a Jew? By circumcision?

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 9:49 am

x9200 wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Notorious last-week leaflet related to Jews:
How do they know who is a Jew? By circumcision?

No idea, but my guess (according to gossips among Ukrainians) is by surname and by the family's history (which is not always disclosed).

In other words, they actually can't know (unless the person is a citizen of Israel as well).

Barnsley · Post by **Barnsley** » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:26 am

Sergei82 wrote:
x9200 wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Notorious last-week leaflet related to Jews:
How do they know who is a Jew? By circumcision?
No idea, but my guess (according to gossips among Ukrainians) is by surname and by the family's history (which is not always disclosed).

In other words, they actually can't know (unless the person is a citizen of Israel as well).

This is pretty frightening stuff.

Saw the latest that the folks in charge in Ukraine have sent the troops in...

The war of words with the Russian n US Politicians is stepping up

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:20 pm

The official position is not to send army directly in Slovyansk. The army is concentrated in region, yes, but for ATO so far only police units and swat are utilized. Kramatorsk is other situation: the army is guarding the airport there, so the attack a few days ago was repelled by the army (new recruits). Mariupol is also a different situation - a week ago separatists became so bold that they attacked a whole army unit at night. Of course they had to retreat with few of them dead in battle.

Slovyansk is worst so far. Those terrorists-separatists (call them as you wish) started feeling so unpunished (thanks to Russia) that they recently gutted several people and threw their dead bodies in river, started taking hostages (one of them is American citizen - Simon Ostrovsky - the one doing VICE News: Russian Roulette on Youtube - I posted links before in this thread). During ATO they occupied kindergartens (Putin's advice following success of this tactics in Crimea), threatened to shoot to kill any civilian found with pro-Ukrainian leaflets, on at least one fixed occasion entered a civilian house and shot husband and wife (wife died) blaming it on mythical "Right Sector" which can't ever materialise in there. No wonder the interim president ordered not to stop ATO in Slovyansk despite threats from Russia and Russian army movement at the border. Which is a pleasant surprise - nobody thought that our interim president (knows as a coward) will remain firm with his decision.

Btw, about Right Sector - a weak ago separatists captured town of Yenakievo and mounted barricades there - was waiting for attack from Right Sector and Ukrainian neo-nazis backed by Ukrainian army. After several days of waiting nobody materialised - no Right Sector, no "nazis", no army. So in great frustration militants just left Yenakievo and returned back to Slovyansk. The town of Yenakievo got back to its normal life by now.

Refs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenakievo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovyansk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk

They need to capture a bunch of small towns to surround Donetsk.

the lynx · Post by **the lynx** » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 4:22 pm

While I'm appalled by the atrocities going on in East Ukraine, I'm even more appalled by the fact that this is not covered in the news here (Channel 5, CNA, the ones I could get), considering the gravity of this crisis.

I hope your family and friends in Ukraine are safe and sound.

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 8:06 pm

It is covered a bit. But all I hear is local investors scared as hell that their investments go to nothing in case EU and US imposes sanctions on Russia. So they hope that both Russia and Ukraine stop being "stubborn" (quote) and there will.be no sanctions on Russia (better just to give Russia a piece of Ukraine and maybe everybody calms down)

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Mon, 28 Apr 2014 4:19 pm

‘I Had It Pretty Easy, Because I Was Let Go’: Simon Ostrovsky On His Detention in Sloviansk

https://news.vice.com/articles/i-had-it ... -sloviansk

Here we go - American dude was released by "peaceful protesters" (tm Russia). It was SOOOO stupid to go to Slovyansk at all! Even me - Russian speaking Ukrainian from Donetsk - would never do so.

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