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Postby zzm9980 » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 9:13 am

Sergei82 wrote:China doesn't look like a staunch supporter of Russia in Ukraine conflict (unlike it was with Syria)


China is a staunch supporter of non-Intervention of internal affairs. In Syria, not intervening amounted to siding with Syria. This is what they've said:

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said: "China has always upheld the principles of diplomacy and the fundamental norms of international relations.

"At the same time we also take into consideration the history and the current complexities of the Ukrainian issue."


Pretty non-committal. I suspect they see parallels in this with their possible future actions in South China Sea, and Taiwan.

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 9:58 am

zzm9980 wrote:
Pretty non-committal. I suspect they see parallels in this with their possible future actions in South China Sea, and Taiwan.


Chinese diplomacy at work ...

btw... south china sea belongs to china ... no contest there ... they have claimed it and doing all they can to evict the intruders ...

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Postby x9200 » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:10 am

Gazprom Chairman Sold All His Shares Just Before Russia Invaded Crimea

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-1 ... ded-crimea

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Postby Wd40 » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:15 am

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Wd40 wrote:What I find strange is that most of the passengers from the plane were Chinese. I would have expected China to display its military might into this and play a bigger role in the search efforts.

I have the impression that China is not too much interested in the faith of its citizens. I recall many cases where a foreigner was involved in some sort of trouble and the diplomacy of her/his country took an action and it was visible internationally, but I have problems to recall anything like this for China. Of course it is possible that Chinese citizens do not get into troubles in a foreign country but it rather looks to me like some kind of philosophy one million people here, one million there, who cares as long as they are not the diplomats or their families.


I guess that is because China is not really a proper democracy. Look at India, even though its own citizens are in the wrong in other country, India will take up a fight. If they do not take up a fight the opposition parties will make their life difficult :)

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Postby x9200 » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:21 am

Yes, China, under the surface still has this socialistic mentality very strong where an individual is simply nothing.

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:34 am

Wd40 wrote:. Look at India, even though its own citizens are in the wrong in other country, India will take up a fight. If they do not take up a fight the opposition parties will make their life difficult :)


yes ... like how they fought for the diplomat while letting a couple falsely accused of child abuse in another country totally forgotten .....

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Postby rdueej » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:56 am

ecureilx wrote:yes ... like how they fought for the diplomat while letting a couple falsely accused of child abuse in another country totally forgotten .....


I think that you are referring to the case of the children in Norway ? The Indian government was very quick to pick a fight with Norway over this, only to later realise the couple were actually at fault here. I think that the couple admitted to having frequent fights (physical blows even) and that might be why the children were removed.

My opinion is that the Indian political/media groups quickly condemn 'foreign' parties first, defend their compatriots and then only later analyse the facts. A few false reports on Indian news channels about the Little India riots also come to mind.

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Postby Wd40 » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 12:07 pm

Yes, evoking patriotic sentiments among its people by bashing other countries, inorder to hide the governments own shortcomings is a very popular stunt in many countries.

Until 1992, when Indian economy was really bad and almost on par with Pakistan, just bashing Pakistan and beating them in cricket was sufficient. But after India's economy took off, bashing pakistan wasn't enough anymore, they had to then take up fights with more developed countries :), like in 2008/09 they were bashing Australia and even issued a travel advisory regarding crime against Indians in Australia.

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Postby Wd40 » Sun, 16 Mar 2014 1:00 pm

Looks like Putin wants more than just Crimea

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-1 ... ussia.html

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Postby Sergei82 » Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:32 pm

Wd40 wrote:96.8% vote to join Russia

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/c ... -1.1723691

Of course. I'm surprised not more than 100%. Even Russians for experiment tried to vote - succeeded. Their votes were just added to Ukrainian votes. Also a lot of people got invitations for their dead relatives. As people said, everybody voted, even hospitals, kindergartens, cemeteries...

Here is btw to which our ousted president sold out Ukrainian army and what's left of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FF03oC5zno&list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ

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Postby Barnsley » Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:37 am

A few sanctions gone in against some players in the game.

Interesting to see how China reacts going forwards, they are not known for supporting seperatist votes.

Wonder if folk will boycott the World Cup in Russia?
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Postby PNGMK » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 5:07 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

A useful article on Putin's objectives... I don't quite agree with the idea that Putin didn't understand why the USSR collapsed - I suspect he did or does.

I have a lot of admiration for him.

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Postby Sergei82 » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 5:45 pm

PNGMK wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

A useful article on Putin's objectives... I don't quite agree with the idea that Putin didn't understand why the USSR collapsed - I suspect he did or does.

I have a lot of admiration for him.

Are you thrilled of the thought that the dwarf can revive USSR?

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Postby PNGMK » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 8:58 pm

Sergei82 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

A useful article on Putin's objectives... I don't quite agree with the idea that Putin didn't understand why the USSR collapsed - I suspect he did or does.

I have a lot of admiration for him.

Are you thrilled of the thought that the dwarf can revive USSR?


Absolutely. I work for a company that is a large part of the Military Industrial complex.


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