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Postby Sergei82 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:38 am

Wd40 wrote:
x9200 wrote:7 years of preparation for the Sochi Olimpic Games to boost the image of Russia internationally, and less than 7 days to ruin it all beyond any repair for the coming decade or longer all because of one overamitious man with homo sovieticus mentality.

Really sad to see that despite of all what happened in SU in the 80's and in and after 1989 nothing trully changed in Russia.

I hope Ukraine will be fine with or without Crimea.

WD40, is this also your view of Singapore's ethinc minorities?


What view? Singapore already has 4 languages and 3 races and they have their identity. Thats my view about Ukrainians if it were to join Russia.

You tell your view to Chechens. Do you run fast, btw?

You better run in direction other than Georgia... and soon it is likely that Japan and China will wake up with their territorial claims - they just need a precedent.

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:03 pm

Wd40 wrote:
x9200 wrote:WD40, is this also your view of Singapore's ethinc minorities?


What view? Singapore already has 4 languages and 3 races and they have their identity. Thats my view about Ukrainians if it were to join Russia.


You clearly made a link between ethnicity and the country so I wondered how did you see it in Singapore. If Singapore was invaded and become a geographical part of the invading country using this logic the people under the occupation would never remain Singaporeans. Is this correct?

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:14 pm

This is sort of funny and a bit unexpected in this media war:
President Putin's Fiction: 10 False Claims About Ukraine
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/03/222988.htm

What is funny in it is the response of the spokesman for Russian diplomacy (Alexander Lukaszewicz) saying that the Americans have no moral right to criticize the Russian government as they have done much worse things in past. In other words he sort of admitted the Russians are doing in Ukraine ethically questionable things. Sorry, I have no English link for this one.

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Postby Wd40 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:15 pm

Singapore then becomes a province and you are still a Singaporean. Its just like you can be a Texan and an American and Texas doesnt have to be country for you to be a Texan. You can be a Chinese and a Texan and an American. How about that? ;)

But, I got your point, my view was over simplistic. I had initially thought Sergei was ethnic Ukrainian and if Ukraine was to become a part of Russia then its similar to Chinese occupation of Tibet. Tibetians belong to the country China but the province of Tibet. But if there were ethinic Chinese in Tibet before China's occupation, then its complex identity for those people and I think Sergei is in that same situation.

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Postby Barnsley » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:48 pm

Sergei82 wrote:Does it suppose to mean that you two presumed Ukraine will definitely become a part of Russia?

And no, Wd40, I am ethnic Russian. But my country is Ukraine. And I desperately wish Putin to 4UCK OFF! And if needed, I am ready to give up my life in Singapore, go to Ukraine and fight for it.


Easy tiger... I dont know where you are from in Ukraine.
I forgot to ask if you are from Crimea part of Ukraine my apologies.
Life is short, paddle harder!!

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Postby Sergei82 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 1:38 pm

Barnsley wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Does it suppose to mean that you two presumed Ukraine will definitely become a part of Russia?

And no, Wd40, I am ethnic Russian. But my country is Ukraine. And I desperately wish Putin to 4UCK OFF! And if needed, I am ready to give up my life in Singapore, go to Ukraine and fight for it.


Easy tiger... I dont know where you are from in Ukraine.
I forgot to ask if you are from Crimea part of Ukraine my apologies.

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Postby Barnsley » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 2:41 pm

Sergei82 wrote:
Barnsley wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Does it suppose to mean that you two presumed Ukraine will definitely become a part of Russia?

And no, Wd40, I am ethnic Russian. But my country is Ukraine. And I desperately wish Putin to 4UCK OFF! And if needed, I am ready to give up my life in Singapore, go to Ukraine and fight for it.


Easy tiger... I dont know where you are from in Ukraine.
I forgot to ask if you are from Crimea part of Ukraine my apologies.

Donetsk


Other than knowing they have a football team that is full of Brazilians, whereabouts is that?

Is it in Crimea?
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Postby Sergei82 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 3:20 pm

Barnsley wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:
Barnsley wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Does it suppose to mean that you two presumed Ukraine will definitely become a part of Russia?

And no, Wd40, I am ethnic Russian. But my country is Ukraine. And I desperately wish Putin to 4UCK OFF! And if needed, I am ready to give up my life in Singapore, go to Ukraine and fight for it.


Easy tiger... I dont know where you are from in Ukraine.
I forgot to ask if you are from Crimea part of Ukraine my apologies.

Donetsk


Other than knowing they have a football team that is full of Brazilians, whereabouts is that?

Is it in Crimea?

no

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 7:20 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -duty.html

"It makes no sense. I can't even say whether I am Ukrainian or Russian - it's not a choice any of us can really make. My wife's Belarusian, her mother is Russian. We've all got relatives on both sides," said Col Mamchur. "When all this started we got calls from friends in Moscow who were simply in shock."

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Postby movingtospore » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 8:38 pm

x9200 wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
x9200 wrote:WD40, is this also your view of Singapore's ethinc minorities?


What view? Singapore already has 4 languages and 3 races and they have their identity. Thats my view about Ukrainians if it were to join Russia.


You clearly made a link between ethnicity and the country so I wondered how did you see it in Singapore. If Singapore was invaded and become a geographical part of the invading country using this logic the people under the occupation would never remain Singaporeans. Is this correct?


You can't compare the city state of Singapore to any other place on the planet. It's a controlled little Petri dish. Definitely can't compare to the former ussr territories.

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Postby Wd40 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 8:49 pm

From X9200's link:

"Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine are really one slavic people," said the Colonel. "The divisions are only formalities. Whoever gave the order for this operation set brother against brother. It's a crazy situation."


The ideal thing should have been that USSR should have remained one country and shouldnt have disintegrated. They should have adopted capitalism(Like China has done) and then they could have become a potent force like the EU and rivaled America like they used to do in the cold war days.

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 9:05 pm

movingtospore wrote:
x9200 wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
x9200 wrote:WD40, is this also your view of Singapore's ethinc minorities?


What view? Singapore already has 4 languages and 3 races and they have their identity. Thats my view about Ukrainians if it were to join Russia.


You clearly made a link between ethnicity and the country so I wondered how did you see it in Singapore. If Singapore was invaded and become a geographical part of the invading country using this logic the people under the occupation would never remain Singaporeans. Is this correct?


You can't compare the city state of Singapore to any other place on the planet. It's a controlled little Petri dish. Definitely can't compare to the former ussr territories.


We are talking about the loyalty of people towards the country they are formally the citizens. Even if SG is a Petri dish so was the SU. Why we can't compare them?

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Postby Wd40 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 9:17 pm

Yes you should be loyal to your country. But what if another country has acquired your country? Shouldn't you then logically become loyal to your new country? The borders of countries have always been changing historically. If you look at Africa, America and Australia, I find it so funny. Most of the borders there are straight lines. They were made my men. So who is to decide that whatever the current country borders are the final and no more changes.

The western powers before the world war looted a lot of countries and became very powerful and acquired nuclear weapons and then decided no countries should then acquire nuclear weapons and no country should have interests in growing their sphere.Russia has every right to protect its interests and not let EU expand until the borders of Russia and then completely isolate Russia.

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 9:22 pm

Wd40 wrote:From X9200's link:

"Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine are really one slavic people," said the Colonel. "The divisions are only formalities. Whoever gave the order for this operation set brother against brother. It's a crazy situation."


The ideal thing should have been that USSR should have remained one country and shouldnt have disintegrated. They should have adopted capitalism(Like China has done) and then they could have become a potent force like the EU and rivaled America like they used to do in the cold war days.


If this was that simple the SU would never disintegrated in the first place.

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Postby Wd40 » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 9:29 pm

SU disintegrated because it became economically weak because of Communism and closed economy. At the moment, America and EU are economically weak and do not have the appetite for another war, which is why Russia made the Crimea adventure.

If China were to now go all out and support Russia, you can assume another world war and the world that we know now wont exist. I hope China doesn't do that.


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