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Postby x9200 » Wed, 08 Jan 2014 6:05 pm

ecureilx wrote:I am sure Malaysians will leave their mercs at home and drive Protons when they go out late ..

Really? This sounds like an overkill. Of course in the situation you described I would not go to any ulu-ulu to drink in the first place.

Quite a few Malaysians I know drive Singapore plate cars, as they are PR here, but residing in Malaysia, and they never have issues .. believe me .. the plate makes no difference.

Just don't do things a native won't do .. and you are good to go ..

The natives don't drive SG plate cars (yes, I'm teasing you).


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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 08 Jan 2014 7:41 pm

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earthfriendly wrote:WD40, not X9200. I know, I know, all these alphanumeric names all sound the same. Why don't you guys pick a nice nick with a noun or an adjective like....................... "Earthfriendly " :P .


WD40 is a proper noun :P :cool:


Ok, proper noun . . . Apartheid in Malaysia and ZA being the same, 'along the same lines' . . . I'm interested.


Eh, that was WD40. Ignore him, he likes to give opinions about places he's never visited as 'factual'. Or, challenge him on it like you're doing (and I often do).

I have a coworker similar to him... Always talking about everything he doesn't know anything about. Another coworker said "In India, we call them Bengali Bhadralok". I guess basically "know it alls" that want everyone to think they know everything. :D

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 08 Jan 2014 7:47 pm

Wd40 wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
earthfriendly wrote:WD40, not X9200. I know, I know, all these alphanumeric names all sound the same. Why don't you guys pick a nice nick with a noun or an adjective like....................... "Earthfriendly " :P .


WD40 is a proper noun :P :cool:


Ok, proper noun . . . Apartheid in Malaysia and ZA being the same, 'along the same lines' . . . I'm interested.


I guess Apartheid was a strong word to use. I couldn't really find any better examples, where there is racial discrimination policies by your own gahmen.


Affirmative action is a better phrase you were probably looking for. Don't worry, it's just as much of a "dirty word" amongst some in the US as Apartheid is. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

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Postby the lynx » Thu, 09 Jan 2014 8:41 am

I looked at the Affirmative Action in zzm's link, for Malaysia section. While the description of implementation was correct, the reason wasn't. Malay supremacy was espoused after the British handover NOT because the Malays were poor/economically disadvantaged and hence EDP was developed in their favour. Instead it was because during the handover, the representatives of the Malay majority very much wanted to have the Indian and Chinese migrants brought in by the British to be repatriated back to where they cam from (which was of course an impossible task, considering one century's worth of the migrants' population growth, settlement and assimilation to the local community since then). Hence, the Malays bargained to have that constituted in exchange for the Chinese and Indian residents' rights to remain in Malaya.

That's why the other races in Malaysia could never challenge Ketuanan Melayu because it is in the Constitution, no matter how detrimental it was/is to their own eventually.

Note: Tried looking in Wikipedia but apparently this bit was mentioned very, very briefly. I can assure you that you will find this bit in the Malaysian history textbooks.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 09 Jan 2014 9:50 am

the lynx wrote:I looked at the Affirmative Action in zzm's link, for Malaysia section. While the description of implementation was correct, the reason wasn't. ...


And .. about kicking out the Indians/Chinese, well, none of my relatives up there would ever give up their Malaysian Passport, they are so ingrained into Malaysia .. so much so, I know a couple of marriage proposals broke up when the guy/girl from Malaysia refused to relocate ..

good luck trying to tempt any Malaysian Indian or Chinese away from Malaysia .. :)

I was trying to figure out the reason for Hindraf in trying to sue the Queen, for injustices against Indians .. now I sort of get it .. why the Bumi policy was allowed to slip in ..

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 09 Jan 2014 3:18 pm

ecureilx wrote:
And .. about kicking out the Indians/Chinese, well, none of my relatives up there would ever give up their Malaysian Passport, they are so ingrained into Malaysia .. so much so, I know a couple of marriage proposals broke up when the guy/girl from Malaysia refused to relocate ..

good luck trying to tempt any Malaysian Indian or Chinese away from Malaysia .. :)



Surely you are kidding . . . fairly well every Chinese, Eurasian and Indian I meet either has a relative in the west - usually Australia - or has plans or wishes to migrate.

The interesting thing is that quite a few people who do migrate to Oz, as an example, are back within a few years simply because the lifestyle is difficult for them to get used to . . . the real problem arises when the many students studying overseas decide to stay there - thus splitting up the family, especially with immigration tightening their rules and regs

The way I see it is that the 'west' is a place where having a comfortable life is easier without much trouble or effort but it is very difficult to strike it rich due to the checks and balances, but Malaysia is a place you can still make it big.

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Postby PrimroseHill » Thu, 09 Jan 2014 3:31 pm

In Msia it is easier to strike it rich, its all about who you know, how to angkat their kakis, who and how big the brown paper bag (angpow) is. Then life is so good- Beemers and Mercs. Mont Kiara houses, first class flights. Helpers de jour. front of the queue at Hermes.
In the west, childcare is expensive. Eat out is expensive. Taxes are more. Actually have to work hard, rather than angkat kaki and brown paper bags, well unless you are part of the members of parliament or the old city brokers-whereby their daddies were Lords/Barons/Marquis etc.
Hmmmm thinking about it must have been a British import/export, depending how you look at it :lol:

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Postby livingontheedge » Thu, 09 Jan 2014 8:51 pm

PrimroseHill wrote:In Msia it is easier to strike it rich, its all about who you know, how to angkat their kakis, who and how big the brown paper bag (angpow) is.


Yeah that makes sense - cause the same logic doesn't apply to other countries right?

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 10 Jan 2014 9:59 am

Vaucluse wrote:Surely you are kidding . . . fairly well every Chinese, Eurasian and Indian I meet either has a relative in the west - usually Australia - or has plans or wishes to migrate.


well, not stirring the pot, but .. maybe you haven't met enough middle-class Malaysians ?? :)

a majority of Malaysians in Singapore, for a start, refrain from getting SC here, as they love Malaysia .. and have to be pushed to move up from PR.

Heck, for PR too, those in mid-level/lower level are not keen to give up the benefits of being Malaysian, from 1 RM medical fee ..

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Postby Primrose Hill » Fri, 10 Jan 2014 7:14 pm

It's RM5 now for medical fees.
I am one of them- I still have my Msian citizenship & passport even after 25years in London. And now PR in SG.

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Postby Vaucluse » Sun, 12 Jan 2014 7:17 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:Surely you are kidding . . . fairly well every Chinese, Eurasian and Indian I meet either has a relative in the west - usually Australia - or has plans or wishes to migrate.


well, not stirring the pot, but .. maybe you haven't met enough middle-class Malaysians ?? :)

a majority of Malaysians in Singapore, for a start, refrain from getting SC here, as they love Malaysia .. and have to be pushed to move up from PR.

Heck, for PR too, those in mid-level/lower level are not keen to give up the benefits of being Malaysian, from 1 RM medical fee ..


Stir ahead - o worries.

MYs in Singapore are a different kettle of fish - they are there to earn money, pure and simple.

Oz and the like are there to emigrate to.

Middle Class Malaysians - :wink: - not to worry there. I'm a corporate trainer with my own company and meet all kinds - from Tan Sri and Datuk CEO/MD/Chairmen to mid-level management people . . . Indian and Chinese juts want to get out.

One exception I will grant you is Sabahans and Sarwakians - they are less inclined to want to leave . . . I guess living in God's Own makes staying easier
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Postby Mexikaner » Tue, 14 Jan 2014 3:34 pm

zzm9980 wrote:Respondents feel safer in Mexico than Malaysia, the same mexico where finding 50 headless corpses hanging from a highway viaduct is just another Tuesday morning..


This was an isolated event that happened in a border city with the US. Please do not generalize by saying that finding hanging dead bodies in Mexico is "just another Tuesday morning" for an ordinary citizen.

Comments like yours give a bad reputation to my country.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 14 Jan 2014 3:57 pm

Mexikaner wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Respondents feel safer in Mexico than Malaysia, the same mexico where finding 50 headless corpses hanging from a highway viaduct is just another Tuesday morning..


This was an isolated event that happened in a border city with the US. Please do not generalize by saying that finding hanging dead bodies in Mexico is "just another Tuesday morning" for an ordinary citizen.

Comments like yours give a bad reputation to my country.


sorry if my question gets lost in translation .. .. as somebody who hasn't been to that part of the world, how often does such a thing happen ?

We read in the news and it is what we can make of the country ..

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Postby Mexikaner » Tue, 14 Jan 2014 4:13 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Mexikaner wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Respondents feel safer in Mexico than Malaysia, the same mexico where finding 50 headless corpses hanging from a highway viaduct is just another Tuesday morning..


This was an isolated event that happened in a border city with the US. Please do not generalize by saying that finding hanging dead bodies in Mexico is "just another Tuesday morning" for an ordinary citizen.

Comments like yours give a bad reputation to my country.


sorry if my question gets lost in translation .. .. as somebody who hasn't been to that part of the world, how often does such a thing happen ?

We read in the news and it is what we can make of the country ..


If I'm not mistaken, such gruesome findings have happened only 5 or 6 times since the Mexican government declared the war on drugs in 2006. True, since that year there have been in total close to 100,000 drug-related killings, including innocent civilians who get caught in a shooting. These are mainly the result of drug 'cartels' (drug gangs) fighting over territories...fighting who gets to supply to the US insatiable need for drugs (to those consuming it, do not wish to generalize).

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Postby Mexikaner » Tue, 14 Jan 2014 4:25 pm

I think the fact that Mexico is No. 7 in this list is quite accurate. Could easily be in a higher position...

Did you know that there are over one million US americans living in Mexico???
Just google: San Miguel de Allende, Cuernavaca or Puerto Vallarta...


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