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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 14 Jul 2014 1:10 pm

I agree fully agree with JR8. Going on a vacation liking that place is completely different from actually staying there. Its like after living in hectic city life you go to Maldives and for a day just beach and the sun, no facebook, no nothing, thats awesome. But couple of days later, you want to run back to Singapore :)

Also the national anthem thing, is a bit over the top. I can expect my daughter, if she goes through the local school system here, to know Singapore's national anthem better than the Indian and feel attached to it. But myself, the kind of goose bumps I get when I listen to the Indian national anthem, can never match with any other country's, no matter what, even if I lived here for 50 years, like Raj put it.

Also its a relative thing. OP has been to the US and then he likes Singapore so much, means his experience with US must have been terrible.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 14 Jul 2014 2:01 pm

I'm in my 4th year here now, have a SGn spouse and in-laws, and yet wouldn't even recognise the SG national anthem, never mind feel some form of association with it.

That's no criticism of it of course, or those who would recognise it, more a triangulation point of 'relative patriotism' amongst the resident but non-PR/SG population.

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Postby beppi » Mon, 14 Jul 2014 4:35 pm

Patriotism and the sense of national pride developed in the 17th century (together with the nation state in its modern form) and are (although often successfully utilised by governments) thus still relatively new to this world .
I personally prefer to stay with the (older, and more established) sense of belonging to a group of like-minded people (of my choosing, not an accident of birth).
Can anybody explain how singing a certain song together or waving a coloured piece of cloth is supposed to make us "one"?

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Postby the lynx » Mon, 14 Jul 2014 4:38 pm

beppi wrote:Can anybody explain how singing a certain song together or waving a coloured piece of cloth is supposed to make us "one"?


I guess if you're willing to publicly display your affiliation to the country you like, psychologically (or socially) it makes you feel like one of them already.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 14 Jul 2014 8:01 pm

It is used by new countries that are insecure in their identities. Same reason for example the likes of the US has a bank holiday 'Gay and trans-gender acceptance and celebration day'.

The new leaders parade up and down in their polished boots demanding everyone salute, and shed a patriotic tear for the emperor and his shiny new boots.

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Postby Manoj.K » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 8:01 am

JR8 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:I don't think there is a fixed time-based formula, but just a sense of how welcome and comfortable one feels with a place. You've never been somewhere where you instantly feel comfortable and at ease? Doesn't have to be a country (or even city) sized place. I felt this way in remote parts of Bali. Like I could just buy a nice Villa and want to stay there forever, and work to improve the place. And yah, I'm sure I'm not the first Bule to think that either.


I think there's two different things -
- Going on holiday and wishing you could buy a place there.
- Moving to another country temporarily, and almost instantly being more patriotic than a lot of the citizenry.

For example on any of your various postings, has your family unit ever learned the national anthem of the host country and (essentially) started singing it and saluting their flag, as if they were your own?

Oh well, not that it matters. There's an expression back home 'trying a bit too hard', aka, 'over-egging it' (making a cake mix too rich/strong). It means making a case for yourself, but doing so in such an unnecessarily exaggerated way it ends up detracting from it.

Ho hum, 2c, maybe that doesn't translate from my culture to others... :)


I woulda thought that this forum is full of ICA officials waiting to judge "commitment" from applicants to PR, the way we are going on trying to "judge" how I feel about Singapore. I came onto this forum asking for any leads I might get from the senior people here & I got some. Thanks for that. Aside from that, we seem to be droning on about 'why' I should be here? 'Why' my family should be able to sing Majulah Singapura? Really? The point being? If I could somehow rip my heart & show the flag of Singapore, one of the people here could get me that PR? C'mon guys - better things to do. I had typed my thoughts of what I think of one of you but am editing that out - it's pointless..

Sigh!

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 8:32 am

Just to give you a clue. I applied for an EP yesterday for a new staff. He is a British Citizen, albeit young, with a B.Sc & M.Sc from Cambridge in Civil Engineering. What came back? It may take upwards of two months before the EP decision is make as it may take their vetting agencies that long to confirm. Hello? A M.Sc from Cambridge who is a British citizen? Granted he only has around one year practical experience, but two months to vet? For Cambridge in the UK? Give me a break.

So, applying for SC, could seriously entail a much longer wait. Just hang in there.

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Postby PNGMK » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:37 am

Manoj.K wrote:
JR8 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:I don't think there is a fixed time-based formula, but just a sense of how welcome and comfortable one feels with a place. You've never been somewhere where you instantly feel comfortable and at ease? Doesn't have to be a country (or even city) sized place. I felt this way in remote parts of Bali. Like I could just buy a nice Villa and want to stay there forever, and work to improve the place. And yah, I'm sure I'm not the first Bule to think that either.


I think there's two different things -
- Going on holiday and wishing you could buy a place there.
- Moving to another country temporarily, and almost instantly being more patriotic than a lot of the citizenry.

For example on any of your various postings, has your family unit ever learned the national anthem of the host country and (essentially) started singing it and saluting their flag, as if they were your own?

Oh well, not that it matters. There's an expression back home 'trying a bit too hard', aka, 'over-egging it' (making a cake mix too rich/strong). It means making a case for yourself, but doing so in such an unnecessarily exaggerated way it ends up detracting from it.

Ho hum, 2c, maybe that doesn't translate from my culture to others... :)


I woulda thought that this forum is full of ICA officials waiting to judge "commitment" from applicants to PR, the way we are going on trying to "judge" how I feel about Singapore. I came onto this forum asking for any leads I might get from the senior people here & I got some. Thanks for that. Aside from that, we seem to be droning on about 'why' I should be here? 'Why' my family should be able to sing Majulah Singapura? Really? The point being? If I could somehow rip my heart & show the flag of Singapore, one of the people here could get me that PR? C'mon guys - better things to do. I had typed my thoughts of what I think of one of you but am editing that out - it's pointless..

Sigh!


I doubt any ICA offical would risk his/her job by posting on this forum about these sorts of topics, for one they run the risk of breaching the OSA. A few years ago I was friends with a HDB officer - she came within a second of losing her job over a fairly innocent FB post criticisng the wife of the Ferrari driver who ran a red light killing a bunch of innocents. (The wife had shown up in the HDB office to sort out her affairs and my friend made a scathing post about the woman's blase attitude).

I think you're starting to get twitter and bisted over something no one really has any control over.

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Postby the lynx » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:45 am

PNGMK wrote:I doubt any ICA offical would risk his/her job by posting on this forum about these sorts of topics, for one they run the risk of breaching the OSA. A few years ago I was friends with a HDB officer - she came within a second of losing her job over a fairly innocent FB post criticisng the wife of the Ferrari driver who ran a red light killing a bunch of innocents. (The wife had shown up in the HDB office to sort out her affairs and my friend made a scathing post about the woman's blase attitude).

I think you're starting to get twitter and bisted over something no one really has any control over.


Wait you mean she has a HDB? While her husband owns a private property in Sentosa Cove?

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:22 am

Manoj.K wrote:[
I woulda thought that this forum is full of ICA officials waiting to judge "commitment" from applicants to PR, the way we are going on trying to "judge" how I feel about Singapore. I came onto this forum asking for any leads I might get from the senior people here & I got some.


Oh stop all the 'selfless' stuff will ya? You came here seeking personal advantage. If we all see it, they certainly do.


Oh but wait.... now you think all our white-asses are government/ICA employees. Get over yourself!!

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Postby PNGMK » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 6:55 pm

the lynx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:I doubt any ICA offical would risk his/her job by posting on this forum about these sorts of topics, for one they run the risk of breaching the OSA. A few years ago I was friends with a HDB officer - she came within a second of losing her job over a fairly innocent FB post criticisng the wife of the Ferrari driver who ran a red light killing a bunch of innocents. (The wife had shown up in the HDB office to sort out her affairs and my friend made a scathing post about the woman's blase attitude).

I think you're starting to get twitter and bisted over something no one really has any control over.


Wait you mean she has a HDB? While her husband owns a private property in Sentosa Cove?


Apparently. I don't know the exact details but my friend was seriously pisse.d

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 19 Jul 2014 7:16 am

PNGMK wrote:
the lynx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:I doubt any ICA offical would risk his/her job by posting on this forum about these sorts of topics, for one they run the risk of breaching the OSA. A few years ago I was friends with a HDB officer - she came within a second of losing her job over a fairly innocent FB post criticisng the wife of the Ferrari driver who ran a red light killing a bunch of innocents. (The wife had shown up in the HDB office to sort out her affairs and my friend made a scathing post about the woman's blase attitude).

I think you're starting to get twitter and bisted over something no one really has any control over.


Wait you mean she has a HDB? While her husband owns a private property in Sentosa Cove?


Apparently. I don't know the exact details but my friend was seriously pisse.d

The post on FB could be innocent but the fact that she publicized such information might get her easily fired. This is a very basic and serious violation of a standard code of practice not only in Singapore. You don't carry outside any information regarding the company's clients.

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Postby PNGMK » Sat, 19 Jul 2014 9:02 am

x9200 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
the lynx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:I doubt any ICA offical would risk his/her job by posting on this forum about these sorts of topics, for one they run the risk of breaching the OSA. A few years ago I was friends with a HDB officer - she came within a second of losing her job over a fairly innocent FB post criticisng the wife of the Ferrari driver who ran a red light killing a bunch of innocents. (The wife had shown up in the HDB office to sort out her affairs and my friend made a scathing post about the woman's blase attitude).

I think you're starting to get twitter and bisted over something no one really has any control over.


Wait you mean she has a HDB? While her husband owns a private property in Sentosa Cove?


Apparently. I don't know the exact details but my friend was seriously pisse.d

The post on FB could be innocent but the fact that she publicized such information might get her easily fired. This is a very basic and serious violation of a standard code of practice not only in Singapore. You don't carry outside any information regarding the company's clients.


Hence why she deleted it ASAP.

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Postby zzm9980 » Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:26 pm

x9200 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
the lynx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:I doubt any ICA offical would risk his/her job by posting on this forum about these sorts of topics, for one they run the risk of breaching the OSA. A few years ago I was friends with a HDB officer - she came within a second of losing her job over a fairly innocent FB post criticisng the wife of the Ferrari driver who ran a red light killing a bunch of innocents. (The wife had shown up in the HDB office to sort out her affairs and my friend made a scathing post about the woman's blase attitude).

I think you're starting to get twitter and bisted over something no one really has any control over.


Wait you mean she has a HDB? While her husband owns a private property in Sentosa Cove?


Apparently. I don't know the exact details but my friend was seriously pisse.d

The post on FB could be innocent but the fact that she publicized such information might get her easily fired. This is a very basic and serious violation of a standard code of practice not only in Singapore. You don't carry outside any information regarding the company's clients.


Completely agree. If you say something on FB and your Friend's List/Privacy settings allow it to be seen by someone who is bothered by it, you spread it too widely.

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Postby Manoj.K » Sat, 19 Jul 2014 6:46 pm

JR8 wrote:
Manoj.K wrote:[
I woulda thought that this forum is full of ICA officials waiting to judge "commitment" from applicants to PR, the way we are going on trying to "judge" how I feel about Singapore. I came onto this forum asking for any leads I might get from the senior people here & I got some.


Oh stop all the 'selfless' stuff will ya? You came here seeking personal advantage. If we all see it, they certainly do.


Oh but wait.... now you think all our white-asses are government/ICA employees. Get over yourself!!


What selfless stuff? white a$$? I have been on tech support calls where customers have called me a "pink di$k" but white a$$ is new. LOL LOL.
@ JR8 I never said I was in Singapore because of some selfless reason but we will let it rest here - isnt getting anywhere. I hear you man - rest easy!


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