SG mum returning home with 2sons

[merichan]

@Taxico


Over the last 2 years it's been getting harder and harder to get into local school as a non-SC/non PR

Between the pressure on school fees and the positive returns, more expat families are trying to get their kids in local school than ever...

And as the ratio of foreign students can't go too high and Singapore's birth rate are pretty low, the number of available spaces according to that unofficial foreign students ratio keeps decreasing depending on the birth year of kids...

For P1 admission, it's becoming a real gamble... the anecdotes coming back this year about who got a spot and who didn't really seem to be leaving it to chance...

P2 and above admissions, MOE has changed a lot of it's admission policies as a result of increased demand: all kids now have to go through AEIS for admission in local schools.

The phrasing is such that they reserve the right to refuse any kids who already have a spot in a International School here in SG

[Boonlw]

Update - submitted Singapore citizenship application for my boys last November. Our interview with ICA is scheduled for next month. In addition, my husband has made an e-appointment in Sept to submit his PR application.

Not exactly sure what to expect during the interview, apart from the obvious question about our late application for our boys' citizenship. What do you reckon will be the likely questions raised by the ICA officer? Appreciate for your insights or personal experience. Many thanks!

[Mad Scientist]

Apply the SG citizenship if you must but do NOT get them SG passport. Use Brit Passport as stamp with Right of Entry at the back page once they acquire SG citizenship. Will have little impact when you decide for them to renounce once they are mature enough to decide.
This Right of Entry will allow them to live and stay and be educated here like any other Sgers and enjoy the same benefits minus the SG PP. Trust me it will be a hassle when they decide to ditch the dot.
If you have not being interviewed with ICA as I am late for this post, prepare 3 years Income Tax , payslip overseas ones and provide letter of previous emplyment on why you did not apply for SG born overseas from parent of SG descent

[Boonlw]

Thank you Mad Scientist. We gotten the boys' citizenship just a couple of months ago, and applied for SG passports as well. Would it make any difference if we obtain the stamp with Right of Entry on their GBR passports, and not using SG passports until they expire?

[Mad Scientist]

No , you have just missed this part once you have SG PP it will have an implication if renunciation comes to play for whatever that is on Mindef perspective.
This is not your fault as I and many others that have done always read between the lines when dealing with the gahmen. I was late to the party .

[Boonlw]

Understand. We want our boys to do national service. Now they are in local daycare. Elder child is going to local primary school next year. Hopefully as time comes by, they will be excited about the NS, like any of their peers. As for renouncing SG citizenship (or GBR's), it will take place after they complete NS. I hope the implication is reduced to its minimum.

Question - since they have SG passports now, do you think we should obtain the stamp with Right of Entry on their GBR passports? We are hesitant about it; concerned if it leads to some unknown problems or implications in the future.

Thanks again

[BBCWatcher]

Question - since they have SG passports now, do you think we should obtain the stamp with Right of Entry on their GBR passports?

Right of entry into Singapore? It's not necessary. That's what their Singaporean passports provide.

[Strong Eagle]

Question - since they have SG passports now, do you think we should obtain the stamp with Right of Entry on their GBR passports?

Right of entry into Singapore? It's not necessary. That's what their Singaporean passports provide.

That wasn't the question.

[ecureilx]

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[Mad Scientist]

Understand. We want our boys to do national service. Now they are in local daycare. Elder child is going to local primary school next year. Hopefully as time comes by, they will be excited about the NS, like any of their peers. As for renouncing SG citizenship (or GBR's), it will take place after they complete NS. I hope the implication is reduced to its minimum.

Good on you mum, I am not sure about UK residency hence I stand to be corrected. I am guessing you want your boys to have the best possibilities when they are adult and are able to obtain jobs in Singapore although they have renounce SG citizenship 21.
Gaining employment in Singapore after serving NS and renouncing it is well documented. If his skillset is needed, serving NS does bodes well with MOM but it does not guarrantee anything as every application is being assessed by its own merit.
Now if they were able to renounce UK citizenship and retain SG citizenship then after that regain the UK citizenship years later that it will be much better.Go and check if this is possible under UK law
I am saying this based on OZ law which allows this as long as the relapse does not pass the age 27 or 33( not sure on the exact year) on one's age
I believe US law has this too and I have known one forumer who did just that.
Something to ponder ??


Question - since they have SG passports now, do you think we should obtain the stamp with Right of Entry on their GBR passports? We are hesitant about it; concerned if it leads to some unknown problems or implications in the future.

Since they have SG PP having ROE on UK PP will be redundant. If you have not applied for it the ROE stamp is more than sufficient for the child to be in SG as a local. There are no implications or problems as it is more of a facility that is provided for those not wanting SG PP for those born overseas and has acquired SG citizenship
Having SG PP will have more impact when you decided to ditch this RED DOT if you do not follow the steps in renunciation properly
Please remember renunciation process and preparation kicks in at the age of 13.
Trust me this is a very slippery slope and with no margin of error. I dare say I have gone thru this myself and help others along the way

Thanks again

[Boonlw]

Dear Mad Scientist

Thank you for your words of cautious on renunciation process. We will bear that in mind. Hopefully we will never have to go down that route.

We are aware that the boys are allowed to apply for GBR citizenship again, after they give it up in order to retain SG citizenship. Not sure if there is age limit imposed for former GBR citizens who wish to reapply. Will investigate.

To PNGMK, sundaymorningstaple and Mad Scientist: Thank you very much for your advice and insight. The information you have shared, has been crucial in our decision making for our boys' future. Sincerely appreciated.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Thank you Boonlw. That's why we stick around and take all the abuse. If we can help one person/family then we are successful. Most of us, at least of the current crop of old timers have ran much the same gauntlet already and successfully made it. We like passing it forward. Thanks for the appreciation. sms

[BBCWatcher]

We are aware that the boys are allowed to apply for GBR citizenship again, after they give it up in order to retain SG citizenship. Not sure if there is age limit imposed for former GBR citizens who wish to reapply. Will investigate.

Under current laws in these countries that (awkward) maneuver is technically possible. However, if the Singaporean government becomes aware of the reacquisition(*) then it is almost certain to terminate the adult's Singaporean citizenship. Adult acquisition (or reacquisition) of a foreign citizenship is an expatriating act in Singapore.

I'm not sure whether that's what you were implying or not, but out of an abundance of caution it's worth clarifying that point. Singapore is flat out hostile to their adult citizens possessing other citizenships (at least if those same adults can help it -- a few countries make it impossible to shake their citizenships), and the government behaves accordingly.

If the idea is that a young dual citizen adult can renounce U.K. citizenship, start out with only Singaporean citizenship, change his/her mind (say, at age 40), reacquire U.K. citizenship, and thus forfeit/terminate Singaporean citizenship -- well, that sequence "probably" works. No guarantees, though, since citizenship laws can change at any time. I think one has to be prepared for the possibility that that sequence could become inoperable. There are also potential offspring to consider.

(*) My phrasing in this fashion ought to be construed only as a careful statement of reality. I do not recommend violating the law.

[taxico]

We are aware that the boys are allowed to apply for GBR citizenship again, after they give it up in order to retain SG citizenship. Not sure if there is age limit imposed for former GBR citizens who wish to reapply. Will investigate.

Under current laws in these countries that (awkward) maneuver is technically possible. However, if the Singaporean government becomes aware of the reacquisition(*) then it is almost certain to terminate the adult's Singaporean citizenship. Adult acquisition (or reacquisition) of a foreign citizenship is an expatriating act in Singapore.

I'm not sure whether that's what you were implying or not, but out of an abundance of caution it's worth clarifying that point. Singapore is flat out hostile to their adult citizens possessing other citizenships (at least if those same adults can help it -- a few countries make it impossible to shake their citizenships), and the government behaves accordingly....

(*) My phrasing in this fashion ought to be construed only as a careful statement of reality. I do not recommend violating the law.

the reality is likely somewhere in the middle, ie, a lax interpretation of "if the SG government becomes aware..".

if one does not flaunt a foreign passport to the immigration officer at changi, insisting that an adult singaporean should be allowed to enter singapore on a non-singapore passport, ICA will not go after that person for renunciation purposes.

neither will they be putting you in jail or imposing a fine when (>22yo) you do so after they ask nicely that you choose one and give up the other.

this has been my experience. i know of someone who had to make such a choice for doing the above-mentioned. although no longer a singaporean, she still behaves like an idiot to this day.

i believe that if singapore really wanted to clamp down hard on citizens holding multiple citizenships, they would be able to do so quite easily for the majority of countries popular among singaporeans (eg, US/AU/UK). for now, they have chosen not to obtain/use that info.

illegality aside, i note that many of us choose to break rules/regulations/laws on a (at least a semi-) regular basis. it comes down to whether we are ready to face the consequence(s) when/if we're caught.