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Postby Sergei82 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 4:11 pm

PNGMK wrote:Coke is acidic and corrosive.

You can't even imagine how much of acidic food you consume on daily basis. No need to bother about coke.

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Postby beppi » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 4:37 pm

There sould be a "Like" button on this forum!

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Postby the lynx » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 4:40 pm

beppi wrote:There sould be a "Like" button on this forum!


There is. At risk of exposing your Facebook account :P

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 4:45 pm

Where is ksl?!?

You all need to drink the wonder drink. Drink Vinegar! It'll cure what ails you if'n it don't kill you first. :P

I've not drank a soft drink with sugar in it since I lost all the weight back in 2008. I drink teh o kosong and coke zero as well (but usually a single can a day if I do drink one). I don't use any sugar other than what occurs naturally in food and don't use any salt either (again, other that what occurs naturally in some foods). :cool:

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Postby Sergei82 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 4:51 pm

I said above that I drink Coke ZERO (Z-E-R-O) and sometimes Coke Light (same pile of sh*t, view from behind)

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Postby Thrandos » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 4:52 pm

Sergei82 wrote:WTH C'MOOOOOON!!!!! Many aminoacids act as neurotransmitters and building blocks to hormones and tissues. It doesn't mean their intake should be severely limited. Organism will take what it needs to excite what is necessary elsewhere if you don't provide the nutrient to it. Elsewhere may be liver, kidneys, muscles etc. You want problems with those? You better supply what your organism needs. Excess of glutamine is easily converted into glucose or just burned as energy, that's it!
You start killer-aspartame-like debate with no grounds. You see, there are some people who are sensitive to phenilalanine, therefore (conclusion!) aspartame is bad!

I know one woman, she was allergic to almonds and coconuts. ALMONDS AND COCONUTS ARE BAD BAD BAD!!!!!! Stop eating them, people! You are killing yourself!

I know another one - allergic to alcohol. BAD BAD BAD BAD!!! Don't! Don't drink alcohol!!! Fear of death!!!

Another one was allergic to shrimps. Does anyone here eat shrimps? AAAAWWWMAAAAIIGAAAAAWWWWDDDD!!!!!!!

Should I continue?


Calm down there buddy... Did you completely miss my first two sentences?
For the most part, MSG is a safe compound. In the amounts we encounter on a daily basis, a healthy adult has little to worry about.


I'm not saying its a killer or you will die. I don't even care about MSG in my food, if it makes it taste good. I'll eat it.

Yes, many amino acids act as neurotransmitters, but none as abundant as glutamine and none have the same effect on cells when there is an excess amount in the extracellular space.

Glutamate does not break down into glucose, like all other proteins and amino acids it is processed and excreted in the urine.

Yes, organisms adsorb what is necessary and excrete the excess. But our body's ability to remove these excesses has its limits. That is one of the ways we define something as toxic or non-toxic to the body, when there is more of a certain substance than an organism needs and more than it can excrete within a given timeframe.

That being said, for a healthy adult, it is hard to consume a toxic amount of glutamine. Even then most only have minor symptoms associated with MSG sensitivity.
Infants and young children are another story altogether.

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Postby Sergei82 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:10 pm

Everything is fine with me, but I'd like to make a couple of corrections.
Thrandos wrote:For the most part, MSG is a safe compound. In the amounts we encounter on a daily basis, a healthy adult has little to worry about.


Stop messing MSG with glutamine in the same basket. We agreed on sodium. Glutamine is safe in any amount per day (of course, if you consume ridiculous amount of something, even water can kill you)

Thrandos wrote:Glutamate does not break down into glucose, like all other proteins and amino acids it is processed and excreted in the urine.

They don't break down, they get converted. All amino acids and proteins. Moreover, that glucose is then easily converted to subcutaneous fat and stored on your beer gut.
You can't even imagine what liver can convert to glucose! Even alcohol! It wouldn't be far from truth if I say: almost every organic compound to different extent can be converted to glucose in liver.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:18 pm

No absolutely, isn't this the Kreb's Cycle? Or what I believe is now popularly called the Citric Acid Cycle?

It's funny to see dieters skimping on this or that, fats, carbs, maxing on proteins, or maxng on fats etc... when ultimately it comes down to total calorific intake, as the body (Kreb's cycle) will process one form of ''nutrition'' to another.


p.s. of course Glycaemic Index etc is another matter.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:38 pm

Sergei82 wrote:So the issue with MSG is not glutamine, but sodium. You can eat a bucket-load of glutamine - the only negative effect on your body will be: you will get fat (lots of calories). Sodium is a bitch. I do wonder why they don't produce monopotassium glutamate instead of monosodium glutamate? That'd have been much healthier!


Google potassium and cardiac arrest and you will now why.

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Postby Sergei82 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:03 pm

C'mon, x9200, you should inject a HUGE amount of potassium intravenously to have cardiac arrest. Its not that you're eating it...

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:17 pm

It's about likelihood, plus potassium salts are in general more toxic than sodium. You would be replacing lesser evil with some bigger one.

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Postby Sergei82 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:21 pm

Excuse me, toxic??? You need much more potassium than sodium a day. It is better to replace some table salt with potassium-based one.
Of course, like with any mineral, too much is bad. It's not like glutamine which is organic compound, it can't be converted to anything: kidneys must work hard if you eat too much of it.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:34 pm

Check LD50 for the two gutamates or chlorides or practically any compound and you will see. For some reason they use potassium, not sodium chloride in the capital punishment by lethal injection.

Again, in moderate quantities is safe of course but this is not what likelihood is about. It increase the risk that something may go wrong under some circumstances that may not be always known or if you like some other way, it's more easy to OD.


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