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Postby aster » Mon, 02 Dec 2013 5:57 pm

https://www.henleyglobal.com/citizenshi ... trictions/

This is a good site to check which passports are best for visa-free travel around the world. Turns out that there isn't much of a difference between the top 25 citizenships to possess.

If someone's interested then St. Kitts & Nevis has some easy government scheme for property investors to pick up passports for themselves and their family members. :)

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 02 Dec 2013 6:13 pm

I do like how Aster's site conveniently highlights in blue the countries where it is easy to obtain a passport with a big enough cash outlay.

edit: Oh, that's because it's from a firm that helps you get your 'citizenship by investment'. :)

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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 02 Dec 2013 6:20 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
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zzm9980 wrote:Easy to get PR? Or a place that's easy to get a PR and you'd actually want to live?


Do you know places that are easy to get PR but you dont want to go? From what I know most places now its much more difficult to get residency and amongst the popular ones, I think Australia is the easiest at the moment.


Well, I think we also need to define easy. Length of time? Boxes to tick? Money to spend? Quite a few are simple if you have the cash. I mean you can become an Austrian (EU) citizen for $3 Million Euro. No other requirements. That's pretty 'easy' IMO.

http://best-citizenships.com/austria-citizenship.htm

For about 10% that, you can get Belgium (EU again) PR:
http://best-citizenships.com/belgium-citizenship.htm



Coincidently, yesterday, I came across a linked in article that says Belgium also tops in terms of attracting skilled immigrants:

http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_BE/be/p ... 0aRCRD.htm

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 02 Dec 2013 7:12 pm

Phhhh ...

By all means. Most of us EU'ers wouldn't bother going even for a weekend...

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:38 pm

JR8 wrote:Phhhh ...

By all means. Most of us EU'ers wouldn't bother going even for a weekend...


Yes, but doesn't it pretty much give you free reign of anywhere in the EU? For example, your own previous post about gypsies in Kensington was it?

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:39 am

zzm9980 wrote:
JR8 wrote:Phhhh ...
By all means. Most of us EU'ers wouldn't bother going even for a weekend...


Yes, but doesn't it pretty much give you free reign of anywhere in the EU? For example, your own previous post about gypsies in Kensington was it?


But, why would most of us want to? The 'right to roam' in the EU makes me no more inclined to do so, than when I was a child, and simply had a passport. It makes nothing easier for me, just for blood-sucking peasants.

Gypsies in W8? Yeah, 'benefit tourists'. Impoverished people who emigrate to places to claim maximum benefits.

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Postby aster » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 2:22 am

The right to roam and Schengen has benefited many people. The lack of borders, the ability to live, study and work where you please is a huge plus for the continent. The lack of restrictions and boundaries is also what the common market is all about.

As JR8 says it won't make most of us want to move elsewhere, just as if SE Asia combines into something similar then it wouldn't mean that Singaporeans would be packing their bags to move to Malaysia or Indonesia.

But it does give you the option of doing so at any time, and that's important. If someone from the UK gets pissed off at 7 days of rain in a row then there's nothing to stop them from moving to Spain and being able to live and work there just as if they were a Spanish citizen. It's this personal freedom that is the essence of a common Europe.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 9:24 am

The borders have never been more than waving a closed passport at a half asleep bloke in a kiosk. ‘The EU’ has not changed this; but what is has done is create a whole pan-continental self-appointed layer of very highly paid government drones.

I know the Germans love it, as they get to try and rule Europe by proxy (this time without invading countries and killing millions). I don’t see the ASEANS signing anything similar for even 100 years.

<<’If someone from the UK gets pissed off at 7 days of rain in a row then there's nothing to stop them from moving to Spain’>>
You think someone would uproot their life, due to a week bad weather. ‘Ooh lawks it’s raining rather a lot, let’s move country’. Yes, that is what the EU believes it is, a fallacious facilitator of delusions, a self-aggrandising political theory, with almost nil connection to the ground. For example, why the presumption that people wish to travel all over Europe, never mind live everywhere ... ?

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 9:26 am

No I realize it wouldn't matter much to any of us except perhaps a bit more convenience for a short holiday. But the people who would be looking to purchase citizenships would value it highly. The guys with hundreds of millions of ringgit (or hundreds of billions of rupiah) hidden in sacks on a banana plantation for example. They'll gladly buy a citizenship in the most boring EU country if it lets them go and hang out with their corrupt Russian brethren at some club in London or Paris.

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Postby PNGMK » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 9:41 am

I'm surprised the OP hasn't considered Canada. I know a lot of PRC's who have obtained PR there.

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Postby AngMoG » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 9:57 am

JR8 wrote:Phhhh ...

By all means. Most of us EU'ers wouldn't bother going even for a weekend...


I have to say the Brit does not speak for "most EU'ers" ;)

Though frankly, Belgium is not the most interesting place to be, and Brussels was the only place I ever got my wallet stolen.

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Postby kookaburrah » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:16 am

JR8, you are out of touch.

The Brit indeed does not speak for the overwhelming proportion of Europeans. In fact, nowadays Brits are Europeans by accident only, and even that seems to horrify them beyond words.

I see the open borders as a great improvement, and one much more profound than what JR8 describes. In the continent (and Ireland) the movement of people has increased immensely, especially of young professionals - many of my friends are scattered around Europe whereas 10 years ago they'd all be pretty much confined to one place. In many ways, it reminds me of the US, where people (particularly young professionals) move about from one state to another in search of new opportunities. I see it becoming as natural and widespread in Europe.

Oh and people DO move south on account of those 7 days of rain. ALL the time (and from the UK as well!)

JR8 wrote:The borders have never been more than waving a closed passport at a half asleep bloke in a kiosk. ‘The EU’ has not changed this; but what is has done is create a whole pan-continental self-appointed layer of very highly paid government drones.

I know the Germans love it, as they get to try and rule Europe by proxy (this time without invading countries and killing millions). I don’t see the ASEANS signing anything similar for even 100 years.

<<’If someone from the UK gets pissed off at 7 days of rain in a row then there's nothing to stop them from moving to Spain’>>
You think someone would uproot their life, due to a week bad weather. ‘Ooh lawks it’s raining rather a lot, let’s move country’. Yes, that is what the EU believes it is, a fallacious facilitator of delusions, a self-aggrandising political theory, with almost nil connection to the ground. For example, why the presumption that people wish to travel all over Europe, never mind live everywhere ... ?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:14 pm

I always thought gypsies liked to move all over Europe? It would not surprise me if everybody harbors some "gypsy" deep inside and would like to move anywhere for any reason whenever it struck their fancy.

Typical habit of elderly people from New York, move down to Florida where it's warm & sunny, for the most part, year around, once they retire. Or they become, what is affectionately known as Snow Birds as they live up north in the hot months and move south during the cold ones, just like migrating geese & ducks.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 1:51 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I always thought gypsies liked to move all over Europe? It would not surprise me if everybody harbors some "gypsy" deep inside and would like to move anywhere for any reason whenever it struck their fancy.

Typical habit of elderly people from New York, move down to Florida where it's warm & sunny, for the most part, year around, once they retire. Or they become, what is affectionately known as Snow Birds as they live up north in the hot months and move south during the cold ones, just like migrating geese & ducks.


>Earlier post from A. N. Other I can't be bothered replying to, .... (heavens is AuntBatty back?)

@SMS.
They might 'like' to move all and everywhere, but historically have not been able to (ref: borders). So British gypsies stayed well and truly in Britain, and so on.

What you have now is a right to free movement in the EU. What you also have is, in some states, an obligation upon that state to house, feed, educate and provide healthcare to said people. Pretty lovely, when you claim unemployment benefits, and the above, and also spend all day out thieving and/or selling drugs [sorry sorry, I'll try to keep Beethoven's 9th on in the background, and my rictus, most pro-EU grin]

It's like people from Tennessee turning up and being housed on Park Avenue, with bells and whistles added on. Would that feel a little unfair to you (since you're paying for it, but will never get that lifestyle?); perhaps just a little :)

Yes I'm familiar with the concept of Snowbirds. But I think generally speaking they do it discretionarily / and for leisure/lifestyle. They don't migrate solely intending to be a burden, exploiter or tax upon their destination.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... itain.html

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 03 Dec 2013 5:44 pm

JR8 wrote:It's like people from Tennessee turning up and being housed on Park Avenue, with bells and whistles added on. Would that feel a little unfair to you (since you're paying for it, but will never get that lifestyle?); perhaps just a little :)


Those people from Tennesee may well be from Nashville and pockets full of country music gold too. Or like the old US Sitcom from the 1960's, Beverly Hillbillies. But then again, why would a Hillbilly want to go to NYC? Out of the woods and into the Jungle? :lol:


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