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Postby x9200 » Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:28 am

Want more fun? It looks like the message originated from TRS and the person who posted it used a hotmail e-mail address that the only other and unrelated occurrence found (google) is in Spanish language comments within olx.com.pe.

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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:21 pm

Well, the point is, regardless of whether this really happened or not, it is widespread in Singapore. Most teams in MNCs do not display the true diversity, that would normally be expected. There are teams full of Indians or there are teams full of Filipinos. Not just that, I know cases where a North Indian in a team will ensure that team consists of only North Indians and Tamil in a team will ensure that there are only Tamils in the team.

Its just that one person decided to post this article and the rest just jumped upon it to release their racist vitriol.

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:29 pm

But this is still very wrong, isn't it? Leaving aside the bribery, if for an MNC one hires people to suit some specifi ethical/cultural setting it simply means that those people should never be hired as they can not truly do any teamwork in a multi national environmen.

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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:34 pm

x9200 wrote:But this is still very wrong, isn't it? Leaving aside the bribery, if for an MNC one hires people to suit some specifi ethical/cultural setting it simply means that those people should never be hired as they can not truly do any teamwork in a multi national environmen.


Agreed. But this is most widespread in MNCs that have huge number of contract staff on vendor payrolls. The hiring manager will have certain "favoured" vendors and I have specifically seen very strong relationship b/w these hiring managers and the account managers at these vendors, outside of office.

These vendors typically are from either India or Philippines and to nobody's surprise they get people from these countries. I must say though that my experience is mainly with IT departments/companies.

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Postby PNGMK » Mon, 25 Nov 2013 4:15 pm

I absolutely believe the bit about paying first months salary for the job. I don't believe the HWF OP was the hero in the story though. As WD40 says the technical details are a bit BS.

I have also known others to take a first months salary for a spotting fee (i.e. "here's this job - I think you can get it - apply and you owe me 1 months salary if you get it ok?"). It's not because they've messed with HR to get them in though. Most jobless and desperate people are happy to give up a months salary IF they get the job.

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 25 Nov 2013 4:18 pm

Beeroclock wrote:Must admit on first read I was open to believe, given the number of scams nowadays nothing would surprise me... But after seeing further comments I tend to agree this story seems unlikely. Also as there's no police report. I think any MNC by policy should need to report such activity, which goes beyond civil (breach of contract between employer/employee) and into the realm of criminal behavior (fraud, bribery, inadvertent breaches of employment laws, etc).


Actually, I can tell you my MNC often has (quite significant) fraudulent activity occur which could be considered criminal but we rarely go that far. The one time we did, it was significant enough that the FBI raided someones house and retrieved millions of US Dollars in cash hidden in a closet. It was on most major US news networks I believe.

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Postby AndrewV » Tue, 26 Nov 2013 2:32 pm

according to the thread it seems to be true, because the guy is saying that SPH and an international news agency has contacted him on this story and under the condition of anonymity he is going to give it to them.


if this is indeed true, then this needs to be sensationalized so others who are doing similar things in other companies will be made to think twice.

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Postby morenangpinay » Tue, 26 Nov 2013 4:08 pm

great so how are the papers going to report it...a source said.....just so you know reporters don't go that way unless he can produce the evidence. they need another source person who will agree to be quoted or the report won't look very credible. Also you can bet the reporter will give up the source's identity if the government request it. so there is no sense in going to the newspapers without reporting it to the police or the government. i don't understand why not report it, the FTs will be banned and blacklisted from Singapore...isn't that a win win situation for the locals.

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 26 Nov 2013 5:22 pm

If you ask specifically about Singapore then I don't know, but in EU/Western countries this is fairly normal and does not impose that the source is not credible. By publishing the information the responsibility is simply shifted to the publisher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_sources

Why he may want to stay anonymous? There could be various reasons including avoiding linking him to the places like this one.

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Postby nutnut » Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:11 am

zzm9980 wrote:
singapore eagle wrote:Well, if it's on hardwarezone, it must be true...


Exactly. I'm calling BS on the whole thing because the technical "facts" sound like pure and absolute bullshit.


A few things:

1) There are a lot more logs than just the smtp logs. A modern system like MS Exchange would make it extremely difficult to selectively go in and remove specific log entries without further audit trails showing that logs were altered. Someone with demi-god like skills could write a custom tool to get around a lot of those safe guards and audit trails to do this, but that same skill set would be infinitely more useful making a next-gen banking trojan or the next stuxtnet. A bunch of local IT guys wouldn't be doing this to help an HR buddy erase resumes for some shit job openings.

2) An MNC won't have their regional mail solely stored here. They'll have a global mail network.

3) An MNC won't have a random IT guy/manager running an internal audit for employee fraud and also be the same guy who did something like this:
What the IT personnel does not know, i keep another log file separately (disguissed as a system file) sent to another server.

assuming "that" even made sense, which it doesn't. (See item #1).

4) Even if this were all possible, any reasonably sized branch office for an MNC would have so many emails coming (10s of thousands a day or more), no one would go through this "log" and reconcile it, and then further determine the entries that were tampered with belonged to Singaporeans applying for some (likely shit) IT jobs and that the HR guy ran a cover-up.


I fear the only thing that may be true is that some true-blue retard fired seven people who may not have deserved to lose their job.


You just pretty much saved me from typing the exact same thing! Seems like utter sh*t!
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