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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 6:17 pm

Have you ever listened to cabbage scream when you twist it off the stalk? Oh, moans, when you harvest Kang Kung. And think of the pain you inflict on stalks of corn when you twist off their ears. You think plucking feathers are bad? pity the poor plants when you pluck off their blooms. After all, when you do that, you are ripping out the genitals of the flower. Castrating them. You vegans are cruel and inhuman to plants. :cool:

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 6:27 pm

That's going to go down well :lol:

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Postby saykreem » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 6:37 pm

JR8 wrote:
saykreem wrote:Since ostrich leather commands 80% of its value, they cannot afford to have the hide bruised as the ostrich struggles; therefore, they have to stun it first in such a narrow area that it cannot move. However, stunning is always less effective for such a huge creature, and the ostrich still struggles for up to 2 hours prior to it's death.


Right, so they can't let it struggle, but let it struggle a few hours, is that the scenario?

You learnt this on a ostrich farm?


p.s. I've seen people go off 'single issue' and political about meat, dogs, horses, cats, half the stuff Chinese people eat at weddings. But farmed ostriches....that's a new complaint for me!


JR8, apologies for the erroneous phrase '' the ostrich still struggles for up to 2 hours prior to it's death'' . It is my mistake of memory. Correction: ''it can take up to 2 hours to kill an ostrich'' . I got the information from a few websites about ostrich husbandry, not animal welfare ones.
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Postby saykreem » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 6:49 pm

I actually read the experiment about vegetables screaming prior to ''slaughter''. Well, whatever our bodies need to survive; by survive, i mean what it really needs and benefits from, which is hard to know given the deluge of foods and excessive eating. By the way, my post was not about vegetarian diets, it was merely pointing out that we do not need to condemn animals to prolonged agony for clothing.

Some people throw the ''vegetable-screaming'' argument back at vegetarians, but humans need plant foods to survive, and to many vegetarians, I am sure they feel that consuming plant foods as opposed to animal products is much more sustainable - personally and environmentally. Moreover that cabbage-screaming example isn't tenable as going vegetarian entails much less killing, plants and animals included, than an omnivorous diet. For example, eating a plate of pasta with meat would entail throwing away 15 other plates of crops and vegetables, depending on your portion size. I digress: I am not advocating vegetarian diets here; i simply think that we are all built differently, so if an omnivorous diet makes us feel healthier, truly, then so be it.
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Postby JR8 » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 7:01 pm

:roll: Ok .... rich Japanese housewife mode....




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p.s. I could do the real serious bad tokyo-housewife bit, but perhaps better not ... .

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Postby scarbowl » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 8:13 pm

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AngMoG: they do eventually kill the rabbit, but only after it has endured 2 - 5 years of painful fur-ripping every 3 months. Actually this post is very far from appealing for vegetarian-conversion, I am merely raising the point that it is not necessary to force unimaginable trauma on an animal(or any living beings) for fashion.


Actually, I do not believe this. You can't rip fur from an animal multiple times over several years and the animal continue to live. I suggest this is an exaggerated and inflammatory post with little substance to it.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 8:39 pm

I tend to agree. I grew up on and around farms.

We cared for our animals (it would make sense eh?)

The idea of willingly abusing animals is .... I don't know... something for anarchists and weirdos to fixate upon.

We the people that raise the animals, know the routine and what they feel. You the consumer, tend not to.

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 9:18 pm

scarbowl wrote:Actually, I do not believe this. You can't rip fur from an animal multiple times over several years and the animal continue to live. I suggest this is an exaggerated and inflammatory post with little substance to it.

They are not skinned. Google says it's "plucking" so removing the hairs by force... kind of epilation.

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Postby saykreem » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:39 pm

Scarface: Daily Mail and a few other websites have the video. Yes, as x9200 suggested, it is like plucking, not skinning.

JR8: I don't think you can generalize your witnessed husbandry practices to include the industrialized factory farming methods. Then again, i need to highlight that I am referring to torturous animal husbandry specifically for fashion. I am by no means referring to killing for food, or materials that are acquired after the animal has been killed
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Postby saykreem » Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:56 pm

JR8: i forgot to add that while it is true that ''willingly'' abusing animals is something very few people do, the workers at such industrialized facilities might - and i emphasize ''might'' - choose to, or are forced to, do the process inhumanely as production is rewarded by volume. I also got this information off a company website called Repcon(which sells Angora products like textiles)which states the different methods used to de-fur the Angora rabbits in different countries. China, which produces 90% of the world's Angora fur, plucks the hair out by hand, to maximise profits by weight, unlike most of the other countries. I think that might have to do with it's lack of laws for animal welfare . It all comes down to the legislation and it's execution.
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Postby JR8 » Sat, 23 Nov 2013 1:49 am

x9200 wrote:
scarbowl wrote:Actually, I do not believe this. You can't rip fur from an animal multiple times over several years and the animal continue to live. I suggest this is an exaggerated and inflammatory post with little substance to it.

They are not skinned. Google says it's "plucking" so removing the hairs by force... kind of epilation.



It sounds akin to removing a winter coat from a dog, which is a bit like a gentle plucking (we used to call it 'stripping', and do it in early spring).

IME they seem to enjoy the experience, tending to look pleased and invigorated, both during and after.

Either way I think this renders the proposition of bunny-genocide rather null and void.

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 23 Nov 2013 8:43 am

Probably it is not that gentle. The winter fur comes out spontaneously at one point. What I don't get is why this is preferred to shaving? It must produce inferior wool (containing hair roots).

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 23 Nov 2013 1:19 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTtfGa2G1As
'Plucking an Angora Rabbit'

Your very question is addressed in the above :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl=e ... 9O4-BkjBow
Stripping a border terrier

The above is the dog breed in question, so you can see a 'before and after'.

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 23 Nov 2013 3:46 pm

JR8 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTtfGa2G1As
'Plucking an Angora Rabbit'

Your very question is addressed in the above :)

Eee, I didn't get it. Easier to spin the fibres?

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 23 Nov 2013 4:25 pm

Maybe because the hairs are longer? Spinning, what, 1" long hairs must be terribly challenging, 10% either way could make a significant difference.

As I maybe said, I know our dogs positively enjoyed getting stripped of their winter coats. They'd patiently lie in your lap as you did it (and it maybe took an 1-1.5hrs or so), and then be off skipping around like excited puppies* afterwards.

A bit like me after the monthly trip to QB House :wink: :lol:



* For small dogs they used to produce a huge amount of fur. I recall us wondering if there was anything we could do with it all... but don't recall anything coming of that plan!


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