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Postby smoko » Thu, 14 Nov 2013 5:27 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Did the father do NS? If so, he would have already known about Exit Permits being required.


I've to confirm that later. I know he wasn't always a Singaporean and became one only in his 30s.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 14 Nov 2013 5:45 pm

SMS The parents are the ones who got the son into the mess by not following protocol when they tried to get the son out of NS by immigrating in the first place.

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An interesting contrast. The parents who leave, who's children are then hung out to dry, for their parents decision. That's really gay.

The Singapore military is irrelevant. It's just used as a social/political tool.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Nov 2013 7:43 pm

JR8 wrote:An interesting contrast. The parents who leave, who's children are then hung out to dry, for their parents decision. That's really gay.

The Singapore military is irrelevant. It's just used as a social/political tool.


In this case, your analogy is entirely incorrect. As smoko already said in the preceeding post, the boy's father wasn't always a Singaporean. Taking into consideration, the boy's current age I'm thinking the father came here as a landed PR (LPR - scheme now defunct for the past two years). He would have been told about the obligation his male offspring would inherit should they take up PR or Citizenship. Therefore, the boy's obligation was obtained as a result of being born a SG Citizen. He father would have been fully aware of the obligation, even though it would appear that he probably didn't do NS at he was around 30 when he came to Singapore. Before he took up PR, he would have been instructed what his offspring's NS obligation would be. Therefore, his parents, by not following protocol, screwed the son royally, as so many have done already. This is why I've said, so many times in the past, that I hope the son's don't end up hating the parents for limiting their scope in the ever shrinking world.

Social/political tool? Surely you jest. How long do you think Sillypore would last without a credible military force, even if one with only 72 hour standoff capabilities (substantially more than Winston Chew's original scenario).

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 14 Nov 2013 8:22 pm

Thank you for your considered post. Yes I take what you say on board.

SG credible military. So tax everyone's life, to stand 72hrs before .... what ... the Malayu’s invade? Indonesia maybe? Who, is going to invade? Shouldn’t the paranoia be a little more defined?

We’re the 51st state of America.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Nov 2013 9:30 pm

With the harbour facilities here, really, I shouldn't even have to allude to who might be happy with usurping this little Red Dot. Either to 'have it back' or to add to the archipelago, as the case may be. Especially if they didn't need to expend any energy to do so. As far as being the US 51st state, I'm not so sure anymore. While they still don't trust China, they are becoming more and more linked. I just would hate to see the theory tested.

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Postby smoko » Sat, 16 Nov 2013 5:52 am

smoko wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Did the father do NS? If so, he would have already known about Exit Permits being required.


I've to confirm that later. I know he wasn't always a Singaporean and became one only in his 30s.


The father was exempted from NS. I know this doesn't excuse the parents for getting themselves and the son in the current mess. From what I can tell, they are pretty stressed out. Some may even think they deserve it for being ignorant or careless about the protocols.

I think they're at a loss what to do next. Any suggestions are most welcome.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:22 am

smoko wrote:There is not much information about the T&C of the bond except that to get the E.P, one must sign bond. In other words no bond, no E.P will be issued, so cannot exit Singapore. In this particular instance, at this stage, it seems pointless for the parents to retroactively apply for E.P because the son is adamant to default.

Putting aside the son, since he wants to make his own bed, what is the best option for the parents in their current plight? Would it still make sense for them to apply retroactively for E.P and furnish bond? Should they wait for mindef/cmpb to contact them?


The bond is a shoot straight thing. You posed the bond if you intend to stay out of Singapore for more than 2 years when the child leave Singapore after the age 13. If less than that 2 years an Exit Permit is enough. How difficult is that to understand?
The Bond is in the form of Banker's Guarantee. You can get this application at CMPB. Alternatively posed two sureties i.e one of them is living relative in Singapore and the other is the parent of the child.
The Bond ensures that the relatives and the parent take responsibilities of the child commitment to NS. Failure to report for NS by the turn of 16 1/2 will forfeit the bond or if by surety, the sureties will be fined for $5k for this.
That does not mean in any circumstances that the child is scot-free. The child still needs to report for NS or be classified as a defaulter.
Methinks , parent of the child still wants to have the best of both world by not letting go SG Citizenship and foreign PR but wanting to circumvent the NS requirement
It ain't gonna happen. !! Greedy methinks.
Under the cloak of education for child they left SG. You and I know applying for NZ PR is far more complicated than following the NS guidelines.
What is there to stress out? You are the bloody parent of the child, for god sake !!
Declaring to Mindef that they have nothing to do with the child refusal ain't gonna work. Been there and did that for others and it backfired
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Postby smoko » Tue, 19 Nov 2013 4:50 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
smoko wrote:There is not much information about the T&C of the bond except that to get the E.P, one must sign bond. In other words no bond, no E.P will be issued, so cannot exit Singapore. In this particular instance, at this stage, it seems pointless for the parents to retroactively apply for E.P because the son is adamant to default.

Putting aside the son, since he wants to make his own bed, what is the best option for the parents in their current plight? Would it still make sense for them to apply retroactively for E.P and furnish bond? Should they wait for mindef/cmpb to contact them?


The bond is a shoot straight thing. You posed the bond if you intend to stay out of Singapore for more than 2 years when the child leave Singapore after the age 13. If less than that 2 years an Exit Permit is enough. How difficult is that to understand?
The Bond is in the form of Banker's Guarantee. You can get this application at CMPB. Alternatively posed two sureties i.e one of them is living relative in Singapore and the other is the parent of the child.
The Bond ensures that the relatives and the parent take responsibilities of the child commitment to NS. Failure to report for NS by the turn of 16 1/2 will forfeit the bond or if by surety, the sureties will be fined for $5k for this.
That does not mean in any circumstances that the child is scot-free. The child still needs to report for NS or be classified as a defaulter.
Methinks , parent of the child still wants to have the best of both world by not letting go SG Citizenship and foreign PR but wanting to circumvent the NS requirement
It ain't gonna happen. !! Greedy methinks.
Under the cloak of education for child they left SG. You and I know applying for NZ PR is far more complicated than following the NS guidelines.
What is there to stress out? You are the bloody parent of the child, for god sake !!
Declaring to Mindef that they have nothing to do with the child refusal ain't gonna work. Been there and did that for others and it backfired



When you put it that way, it's not a good look for the parents. But I think it's misguided sentimental attachment rather than benefits of SC that make them retain SC.

Many of us rellies have been telling them for years to give up the SC and take out their hard earned monies from CPF, sell their 99-year leasehold HDB. Invest in the booming freehold landed properties in NZ for much better returns. NZ provides a lot of benefits to citizens free healthcare, pension and other assistance. Not to mention NZ citizenship also open the door to live and work in Australia. But fell on deaf ears.

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Postby smoko » Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:22 pm

In the event that the parents are sentenced to jail, do they get put in the same prison as other criminals such as robbers, thiefs, assault, rapists, gangsters?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:25 pm

We have equal opportunity prisons here I think.

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Postby smoko » Wed, 20 Nov 2013 5:07 am

@SMS Thanks. Maybe you're right. The prisons website doesn't have any information about categories of prisons.
http://www.prisons.gov.sg/content/sps/default.html

I found some accounts by inmates. I'm not sure if they're the same prison but their experiences appear different.

http://sgforums.com/forums/3545/topics/436375

http://www.thinkcentre.org/article.cfm?ArticleID=1829

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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 20 Nov 2013 9:12 am

smoko wrote:In the event that the parents are sentenced to jail, do they get put in the same prison as other criminals such as robbers, thiefs, assault, rapists, gangsters?


Oh FFS. They are NOT going to jail/prison. The boy one day maybe (but that will be a military brig).

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:23 am

smoko wrote:the parents


Can you just drop the charade about "the parents who aren't me, even though I've been beating this dead horse into a bloody pulp for three pages and weeks of posts?" Anyone reading this with half a brain knows you're the parent who screwed their kid on NS. I guess locals might fall for it though.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 20 Nov 2013 2:41 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
smoko wrote:the parents


Can you just drop the charade about "the parents who aren't me, even though I've been beating this dead horse into a bloody pulp for three pages and weeks of posts?" Anyone reading this with half a brain knows you're the parent who screwed their kid on NS. I guess locals might fall for it though.


Mate, I have been telling him from the get go. I spotted this ruse
He is sh*tless from the start. I think he royally screwed his child
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Postby smoko » Wed, 20 Nov 2013 3:40 pm

@zzm9980 and @Mad Scientist
Why the cynicism and the meaness? What's all this negativity about?


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