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Postby x9200 » Mon, 30 Sep 2013 8:24 pm

Think twice if you are tempted to upgrade to.
My ipad2: 70% photos gone, 10% applications disappeared, 50% e-mails vanished.
My wife's iphon4: can not call (mic/speaker not working): over 1h on chat with the Apple consultants and their verdict: hardware error, bring it the service and pay for repair.

It looks bad, it has nothing worth upgrading in it and apparently is very buggy.

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 30 Sep 2013 8:45 pm

x9200 wrote:Think twice if you are tempted to upgrade to.
My ipad2: 70% photos gone, 10% applications disappeared, 50% e-mails vanished.
My wife's iphon4: can not call (mic/speaker not working): over 1h on chat with the Apple consultants and their verdict: hardware error, bring it the service and pay for repair.

It looks bad, it has nothing worth upgrading in it and apparently is very buggy.


Bolded part is extremely subjective. Half of iOS7 are features people have been crying about that they wanted out of Android, so unless those were all useless to most people, in which case why did they add them?

Plural of anecdotes is not evidence. The scientist should know that. If even 1% of those upgrading to ios7 had the issues you describe, it would be front-page headlines for weeks across the Internet. Look at what happened with 'antenna gate'.

And your iPad issue sounds like you either had a bad backup, or didn't restore it fully. What you describe is exactly what is seen if you restore from iCloud and lose your network connection at some point during the restore. Try restoring it again.

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 30 Sep 2013 9:05 pm

It was rather clear it was my subjective opinion. As for the objective one the web is full of rather not so positive comments and people asking how to downgrade it to 6.x.x. Unfortunately not possible (that easily*).

To continue my subjective opinion, 2 cases in raw of something being that f*ked up .. I don't recall anything similar even with my favorite M$Windows platform. To add to the earlier list, my ipad can not any longer show reliably charging of the battery. I.e. it shows 80% for 45 min and then after rebooting it is suddenly 86%. Probably more ahead to discover.
Again, maybe it's anecdotal but IMHO a bit too much.

* update: not possible at all, Apple stopped signing the older versions.
One more very good reason to carefully reconsider.

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Postby Tanuki » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:55 pm

x9200 wrote:
To continue my subjective opinion, 2 cases in raw of something being that f*ked up .. I don't recall anything similar even with my favorite M$Windows platform. To add to the earlier list, my ipad can not any longer show reliably charging of the battery. I.e. it shows 80% for 45 min and then after rebooting it is suddenly 86%. Probably more ahead to discover.
Again, maybe it's anecdotal but IMHO a bit too much.

I've been running the betas since they first came out, on 2 iPhone 4S devices and 2 iPads (3rd and 4th models). While the earlier betas were a bit buggy, the last couple were quite solid and the current version is quite good IMO. With that level of troubles I'd download a fresh copy of the iOS and reload from that (not the one already on your computer). Sounds like you might've gotten a corrupted load. Have heard of that happening on release days...

Hope it gets better for you!

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:44 pm

The phone was "upgraded/recovered" twice on two separate OSX machines using 2 separate iOS images. It can dial and connect, it can send smses, it can record and play sounds it is just that you don't hear anything when you call and the other party has it the same.
How likely is it a hardware problem? If it is, how likely this coincidently happened at the time the upgrade took place? Wifey is going to the service today and they suppose to do the diagnosis for free. Let's see what they are going to find out. If the price for fixing it will be like >$S150 I will be happy to put an Android OS to it and see if there are still the same problems.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 2:57 pm

x9200 wrote: If the price for fixing it will be like >$S150 I will be happy to put an Android OS to it and see if there are still the same problems.


Do they actually have Android ROMs for Apple devices? I'd be pretty interested to try that out.

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 3:07 pm

Not sure. Normally the procedure involves jailbreaking (and there is nothing yet for iOS7) but I found one that goes via recovery-boot mode (aka DFU) - just google out android4iphone. Not verified it throughly but looks reasonably legit.

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Postby Tanuki » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 6:27 pm

x9200 wrote:Not sure. Normally the procedure involves jailbreaking (and there is nothing yet for iOS7) but I found one that goes via recovery-boot mode (aka DFU) - just google out android4iphone. Not verified it throughly but looks reasonably legit.

Once the new JB comes through that sounds like an interesting option. I tried one of those 2 or 3 years back on an iPhone 3G and it worked but it was painfully slow then. The faster chips today might make it fun!

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Postby scarbowl » Thu, 03 Oct 2013 3:12 am

Upgraded 2 iPhones and two iPads in my household. Had to update almost all the apps but it all went well. No losses of data, photos, or anything else that I've noticed in the two weeks since. I like the new icons. I do backup regularly though I didn't need it with these updates. The new iOS is more Android-like, that's for sure. For those with troubles, here's a very useful video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns37ydVCMZ8

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 04 Oct 2013 9:27 am

Updates.
This "android4iphone" I mentioned seems no longer that "free" and if one wants to use it has to take part in some suspicious half scammy looking sponsored "win iphone5" activities. In other words, I am going to wait till the jailbreak is available unless I find another DFU based approach.

Apple service diagnosed the microphone to be broken and asked $350 to fix it. I did a bit of reading in the mean time so now I know that the iphones have 2 separate microphones (thats explains why the phone can still record sounds), and a few separate speakers also for the gsm module but then the speaker is also dead and as far as I could see this is not within the same module (I could be wrong though). This module can be bought from e-bay for less than $10 shipping included so I am tempted.

A side question: does anybody know any reliable workshop where they could fix it for $50 or so (if this is the case)? I have some experience with this kind of work but another part of this experience tells me many things can go wrong and better to let it do to someone who does it routinely.

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:48 am

It seems odd your microphone broke right when you upgraded to ios7. I'll be honest (and surpress my fanboy tendencies) and admit I know one other person who's "wifi chip" suddenly broke with the ios7 upgrade. This was on an iPhone 4S.

Anyway, I've had mixed luck with a place called TeamOne Mobile. They have locations at Marine Parade Central and Tampines, maybe some more too. They always repair the phone OK, but I definitely am sometimes assessed the 'Ang Mo' discount depending on who is working. (They have two locations 100m apart at MP Central, so i'll just walk between the two).

The best I can find is this image on their facebook page. Won't put it in image tags since I don't like them enough to spam for them.

http://i.imgur.com/yea1n9h.jpg

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 04 Oct 2013 9:47 pm

Thanks zzm, I will still wait a bit till I can verify it under Android. The damage is already done - wifey just ordered 5s.

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Postby sm1980 » Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:12 am

Worked like a charm for me. Still sticking with my android phone, my Apple tablet and my windows PC :D

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 07 Feb 2014 8:50 am

So as it could be expected I got used to the new system after these few months and even after jailbreaking it recently I am not going to downgrade it.
Perhaps the only semi-major thing still in question is the battery level. There was a clear change between iOS6 and iOS7 in the charging dis-charging pattern and I think purposely or not something here is not ok.

The battery condition as of iOS7 is less predictable. It can drop in the level it is charged by few percent in less than 5 min (nothing extraordinary running) or stay charged fully for one day day or so with the ipad on and unplugged.
Example, I charged it fully yesterday afternoon and with one inbound ssh connection open it was still 100% this morning (and the connection is alive). Weird.

I am going to monitor a bit this on more fundamental level. It give a bit more data than the bar indicator.

# ioreg -w0 -p IOPower -c AppleD1946PMUPowerSource |grep apacit

Code: Select all

        |           "BootCapacityEstimate" = 67
        |           "BatteryData" = {
                                                "CycleCount"=126,
                                                "MaxCapacity"=6373,
                                                "FullAvailableCapacity"=6613,
                                                "StateOfCharge"=97,
                                                "MfgData"=XXXX,
                                                "DesignCapacity"=6583,
                                                "QmaxCell0"=7108,
                                                "Flags"=0,
                                                "ManufactureDate"="6142",
                                                "ChemID"=4377,
                                                "BatterySerialNumber"="XXXXX",
                                                "Voltage"=4115}
        |           "CurrentCapacity" = 6181
        |           "BootBBCapacity" = 5007
        |           "AppleRawCurrentCapacity" = 6181
        |           "AppleRawMaxCapacity" = 6390
        |           "MaxCapacity" = 6390
        |           "DesignCapacity" = 6583


If one likes to play a bit around (sort of gadgetry hacking) the current jailbreak/Cydia is pretty enhanced comparing to what I knew from the Absynth times (iOS5). I.e. Lighttpd has both php and Mysql modules available.

Now it's time to jailbreak my wife's 4s iphone and see how to put an Android to it.


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