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Post by Steve1960 » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:26 pm

Wife just called me to say someone has thrown paint over our front door some time this afternoon. I suspect it is a member of a family we gave money to a couple of times. Last time they came begging my wife said no, enough is enough. Can't think of anyone else we have upset.

Who do I report it to? Police, HDB, Landlord or all of them?

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Post by the lynx » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:31 pm

Steve1960 wrote:Wife just called me to say someone has thrown paint over our front door some time this afternoon. I suspect it is a member of a family we gave money to a couple of times. Last time they came begging my wife said no, enough is enough. Can't think of anyone else we have upset.

Who do I report it to? Police, HDB, Landlord or all of them?
Who is this family? Friend? Neighbour? Landlord's family?

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Post by Steve1960 » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:37 pm

The family live in another HDB block close to ours. Their daughter came and played with our daughter on a couple of occasions. Then she stopped coming to play and just came to ask for money. We helped out three times then my wife said no more.

I can't accuse them as we have no evidence I just feel it should be reported to someone I am just not sure who (Police / HDB or both)

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Post by the lynx » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:40 pm

Steve1960 wrote:The family live in another HDB block close to ours. Their daughter came and played with our daughter on a couple of occasions. Then she stopped coming to play and just came to ask for money. We helped out three times then my wife said no more.

I can't accuse them as we have no evidence I just feel it should be reported to someone I am just not sure who (Police / HDB or both)
True. It is hard without evidence. But if you want immediate attention, lodge police report, say that you suspect your address has been used in loanshark activities and the debtor is not the resident of your address. The police will attend to you.

Splashed paint on front doors is a common MO for loanshark runners. It may be true after all.

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Post by Steve1960 » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:43 pm

Really? I never knew that! That is another real possibility as the landlord or a member of the family is using the address for mail and appears to be in some financial difficulty. We ahve had people knocking at the door asking for them a couple of times.

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Post by kookaburrah » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:44 pm

I agree. You can report it to the police. I'd be less inclined to involve the other family as it seems likelier that you address has been given to a loanshark rather than it being them exacting revenge on your wife.

Mentioning then to the police without any proof seems unfair.

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Post by AngMoG » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:45 pm

Steve1960 wrote:Really? I never knew that! That is another real possibility as the landlord or a member of the family is using the address for mail and appears to be in some financial difficulty. We ahve had people knocking at the door asking for them a couple of times.
In that case, I would say it is even more likely than a poor-ish family wasting money on paint to splash on your door 8-)

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Post by the lynx » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:47 pm

The door is your proof. Do not do anything until the police comes for evidences.

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Post by Steve1960 » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 4:52 pm

Great advice thank you

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Post by Wd40 » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 5:00 pm

Steve1960 wrote:Really? I never knew that! That is another real possibility as the landlord or a member of the family is using the address for mail and appears to be in some financial difficulty. We ahve had people knocking at the door asking for them a couple of times.
Pretty sure this is the case of the landlord/member of his family/previous tenant has borrowed money from loan shark and now they are troubling you. We have encountered this before and got some solid advice from this forum.

Here's my thread:
http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/sutra466218.html

Basically, these people will just try to harass you by splashing paint on your door/ jam your letter box/ worst case lock you from outside using a cycle lock. Its highly unlikely that they will cause you any physical harm.

Also they will scribble on the wall nearby outside the house "O$P$"( Owe Dollar Pay Dollar) and the person's phone number and NRIC. See if that is outside your house.

We informed police and they said they will increase patrolling in the area, there isnt much they can do. But in some places I have seen, the town council is more proactive and they install cctv in the lift of the affected block and the TV shows live footage outside the lift.

If you can try to set up a CCTV camera outside your door.

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Post by x9200 » Tue, 24 Sep 2013 5:54 pm

Just if you are not aware there are gadgets like this available:
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Post by Steve1960 » Wed, 25 Sep 2013 7:50 am

Wd40 wrote:
Steve1960 wrote:Really? I never knew that! That is another real possibility as the landlord or a member of the family is using the address for mail and appears to be in some financial difficulty. We ahve had people knocking at the door asking for them a couple of times.
Pretty sure this is the case of the landlord/member of his family/previous tenant has borrowed money from loan shark and now they are troubling you. We have encountered this before and got some solid advice from this forum.

Here's my thread:
http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/sutra466218.html

Basically, these people will just try to harass you by splashing paint on your door/ jam your letter box/ worst case lock you from outside using a cycle lock. Its highly unlikely that they will cause you any physical harm.

Also they will scribble on the wall nearby outside the house "O$P$"( Owe Dollar Pay Dollar) and the person's phone number and NRIC. See if that is outside your house.

We informed police and they said they will increase patrolling in the area, there isnt much they can do. But in some places I have seen, the town council is more proactive and they install cctv in the lift of the affected block and the TV shows live footage outside the lift.

If you can try to set up a CCTV camera outside your door.
Thanks WD40 yes the loan sharks left their calling card on the stair well opposite our apartment door. I would never have known to look but the Police did. O$P$ but only followed by a mobile phone number (black market SIM card untraceable of course).

CCTV outside the front door is the next thing to do. Covering the lift probably doesn't help. I imagine they got out of the lift the floor above or floor below us and walked up or down one flight of steps. That is what I would have done anyway. If they are smart and wearing hats / sun glasses then even CCTV is not going to help much.

I fear the only solution is to move out if the Landlord or their family member does not pay their debt soon.

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Post by Strong Eagle » Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:22 am

Steve1960 wrote:I fear the only solution is to move out if the Landlord or their family member does not pay their debt soon.
An example of when legal gun ownership would solve the problem.

Homeowner: "Y'all come back here one more time and I am going to blow a hole in your sorry ass."

Loan Shark: "Got it."

End of story.

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Post by Steve1960 » Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:32 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
Steve1960 wrote:I fear the only solution is to move out if the Landlord or their family member does not pay their debt soon.
An example of when legal gun ownership would solve the problem.

Homeowner: "Y'all come back here one more time and I am going to blow a hole in your sorry ass."

Loan Shark: "Got it."

End of story.
Gotta see em to shoot em. Rottweiler sitting outside apartment door a much better solution :-)

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Post by PNGMK » Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:35 am

Steve1960 wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
Steve1960 wrote:Really? I never knew that! That is another real possibility as the landlord or a member of the family is using the address for mail and appears to be in some financial difficulty. We ahve had people knocking at the door asking for them a couple of times.
Pretty sure this is the case of the landlord/member of his family/previous tenant has borrowed money from loan shark and now they are troubling you. We have encountered this before and got some solid advice from this forum.

Here's my thread:
http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/sutra466218.html

Basically, these people will just try to harass you by splashing paint on your door/ jam your letter box/ worst case lock you from outside using a cycle lock. Its highly unlikely that they will cause you any physical harm.

Also they will scribble on the wall nearby outside the house "O$P$"( Owe Dollar Pay Dollar) and the person's phone number and NRIC. See if that is outside your house.

We informed police and they said they will increase patrolling in the area, there isnt much they can do. But in some places I have seen, the town council is more proactive and they install cctv in the lift of the affected block and the TV shows live footage outside the lift.

If you can try to set up a CCTV camera outside your door.
Thanks WD40 yes the loan sharks left their calling card on the stair well opposite our apartment door. I would never have known to look but the Police did. O$P$ but only followed by a mobile phone number (black market SIM card untraceable of course).

CCTV outside the front door is the next thing to do. Covering the lift probably doesn't help. I imagine they got out of the lift the floor above or floor below us and walked up or down one flight of steps. That is what I would have done anyway. If they are smart and wearing hats / sun glasses then even CCTV is not going to help much.

I fear the only solution is to move out if the Landlord or their family member does not pay their debt soon.
Don't move out please. It only passes the problem on. Eventually these guys will give up or their debtor will appease them or maybe the cops will catch someone.

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