I am curious about this 7%. I would expect close to 100% to be greed or power based. Religion just was and is still used as a convenient and effective tool to manipulate the masses.PNGMK wrote: Less than 7% of wars have had a religious basis. Most have had a power basis and atheists are just as guilty of that as any other. I can find the citation if you need it.
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This is patently untrue:Hannieroo wrote:Nobody said atheists have never been in any wars. They just don't feel the need to start one to get their point across. They also don't tend to object to other's views or feel the need to rant about it. On the whole an atheist is far more respectful.
Communists are declared atheists, but have strong beliefs (just not into anything supernatural - except that humans are capable of being unselfish) and started several wars in the name of those beliefs.
I think the key word here is moderation - extremists (no matter for what) cause and start all wars!
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So where do people like me stand in all this? I've been agnostic for 52 years. Fought in one war. (I didn't start it nor did I want it). Studied most of the major religions and a fair number of minor religions from the age of 14 up till around 40 when I decided I was just wasting my time. I can see Athiests starting a war as they have a believe, albeit belief of non-existence vrs the believers (regardless of the name of the faith). But agnostics are on the fence as is were......
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I'll give you the point on starting wars, but I've seen just as many obnoxious atheists posting obnoxious shit on Facebook and various sites as I see religious people. Note I'm not religious.Hannieroo wrote:Nobody said atheists have never been in any wars. They just don't feel the need to start one to get their point across. They also don't tend to object to other's views or feel the need to rant about it. On the whole an atheist is far more respectful.
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Not really. Religion implies ritual, scripture, practice, organization, heirarchy, community. Atheism has none of that.zzm9980 wrote:Atheism to me just seems to be the religion of no god.
Yes, they do but I have the impression that for majority of them it comes from the frustration of living in religious societies. It is just a counter reaction or venting off.zzm9980 wrote:I'll give you the point on starting wars, but I've seen just as many obnoxious atheists posting obnoxious shit on Facebook and various sites as I see religious people. Note I'm not religious.
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