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Postby guyg » Sat, 31 Aug 2013 8:00 pm

I think you are swerving away from the issue I have raised that a newbie is quickly and aggressively dismissed as a wannabe PR abuser after rather innocently looking for help on this forum with no mal intent.

Anyway I think I've made my point and it may even help to generate a little more empathy next time.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 31 Aug 2013 8:40 pm

As I've pointed out previously, and umpteen times before on this board. We don't sugar coat anything. We tell it the way we see it and the way we "think" the respective Ministry sees it, whether it's the MOM, the ICA, the IRAS, the MOE or the HDB. We collectively assemble anecdotal and first hand evidence where possible and form our recommendations and or pronouncements based on that data and the current trends as we see them.

I promise you this. I'll give you the unvarnished truth as I see it. Most everybody else who is a long term regular will do the same. It's the way we do business here. We don't run this board like any other forum. We are not obligated to do so. We do try to give honest opinions, as brutal as they sometimes are. Sorry, but that's the way it is. This isn't the other board.

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Postby nutnut » Sun, 01 Sep 2013 8:50 am

guyg wrote:I think you are swerving away from the issue I have raised that a newbie is quickly and aggressively dismissed as a wannabe PR abuser after rather innocently looking for help on this forum with no mal intent.

Anyway I think I've made my point and it may even help to generate a little more empathy next time.


He may be new to the board, but, with credentials like what he has advised, then I am sure he's a big enough boy to take it! many degrees and a >$200K salary in investment banking doesn't come to someone with thin skin, I am sure he can handle it.
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Postby PNGMK » Sun, 01 Sep 2013 9:15 am

nutnut wrote:
guyg wrote:I think you are swerving away from the issue I have raised that a newbie is quickly and aggressively dismissed as a wannabe PR abuser after rather innocently looking for help on this forum with no mal intent.

Anyway I think I've made my point and it may even help to generate a little more empathy next time.


He may be new to the board, but, with credentials like what he has advised, then I am sure he's a big enough boy to take it! many degrees and a >$200K salary in investment banking doesn't come to someone with thin skin, I am sure he can handle it.


He's a brown skin in a white coating... IME they tend to be a bit thin skinned and sensitive.

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Postby nutnut » Sun, 01 Sep 2013 7:58 pm

Nice to see you are as PC as usual ;)

Even still, if he isn't thick skinned he will have to learn to be in Singapore.
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Postby PNGMK » Sun, 01 Sep 2013 8:49 pm

nutnut wrote:Nice to see you are as PC as usual ;)

Even still, if he isn't thick skinned he will have to learn to be in Singapore.


Yes, the country where you can still call a spade a spade or a fag, a fag and not be prosecuted for homophobia.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 12:28 am

PNGMK wrote:and not be prosecuted for homophobia.


Where do they prosecute you for homophobia?

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Postby PNGMK » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 12:34 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
PNGMK wrote:and not be prosecuted for homophobia.


Where do they prosecute you for homophobia?


According to the never wrong Dailymail people are prosecuted for homophobia and gypsyphobia (the fear of gypsies stealing your wallet) on a daily basis in the UK.

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Postby nutnut » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:08 am

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Postby adi_ » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:50 am

First of all I would like to thank the Moderator for the ‘Fruitful’ advice and a few stand up guys who tried to defend and understood where I was coming from. I assume the people who post here are moderately educated (if i am not making too big an assumption), I would have thought when you ask for advice people should help you out rather than ask you to piss off. The part of the world I come from we help people and not judge them. Unlike many people on this forum who would sell their souls or even bend over to get a passport from a Western country or Singapore, I am not interested in blocking someone’s place by getting a passport when I am happy with a PR and want a long mutually benefitting relationship with the country. When judging me racially well stereotyping me as an Indian again I don’t understand I am not from India, was born and bought up in the UK and that’s home for me, though I understand that ICA does look at your race I am sure they also see that this chap is not after just a passport and Singapore is not a stepping stone for him to then apply for an EU or US passport. One thing that baffles me is how i would ruin anybodys chance to get a PR, if you are capable enough and maybe lucky you will get it and if I am not they will refuse me simple as that. As far as people commenting on my Degrees and salary, I was told Singapore pays heed to your education and work history, so I tried to put down as much information as I could for people to make an informed judgement.
I apologise if i touched some nerves there, where people who couldn’t match this thought best to put this fellow down, maybe that make them feel a whole lot bigger.... The bottom line is what I can do for this country in many ways not many people can do.
As for being thick skinned I stand by my earlier post, people talking gibberish and full of baloney don’t really perturb me, I feel sorry for them as generally they are defensive of where they stand in life. Over the last couple of months I have met Singaporeans and people from Chinese origin settled here who have welcomed me and are happy to have a bit of diversity in their groups, again as people who add value to the country they realise that unlike the many people here I am not a Liability or a selfish fellow who wants to be here for the short term and F.O when his time is over here.
Though the moderators say that they do not Sugar Coat anything on this forum, I believe there is a very thin line of demarcation between being harsh and being an outright buffoon. What people have said here made me think I would want my kids to grow up in a place where others judge him on things that I thought don’t matter.
One last piece of advice for any takers instead of showing the other person down and playing god try to work on what your shortcomings are, putting me down will not get you anywhere but working on yourselves might just do.
Again I thank those who fought for me and understood where I was coming from, guys will be in touch via PM and will update you on how things go and shape up.

P.S. I have made assumptions and generalised people in the post above just to give you a taste of your own medicine and I bet its bitter, well if you can try to be helpful and not destructive, there is a god in heaven and let’s leave things up to him, lets not decide somebody’s fate and shoot people down.

Adios and if I really showed somebody the mirror and hurt someone I apologise!!
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 12:10 pm

aid_ wrote:When judging me racially well stereotyping me as an Indian again I don’t understand I am not from India, was born and bought up in the UK and that’s home for me, though I understand that ICA does look at your race I am sure they also see that this chap is not after just a passport and Singapore is not a stepping stone for him to then apply for an EU or US passport. One thing that baffles me is how i would ruin anybodys chance to get a PR, if you are capable enough and maybe lucky you will get it and if I am not they will refuse me simple as that.


As quotas for PR are being reduced annually since 2007 and moreso since 2011 this means that they are less spaces available for successful applicants. Now, the gahmen have to figure out who the more likely candidate for PR. Asimilability is one that people don't normally think about, preferring to think the be all and end all is purely qualifications and experience. Not so. This is why we see some who have a lot less education but ideal asimilability being given PR over some other who come highly qualified. e.g., Malaysian Chinese are a good example. I'm not saying you would be unsuccessful, but just think you are not likely to be successful in the short term. The following excerpts just hint as the complex problems that the gahment are facing due to the unhappiness of the local population who are voicing their displeasure at the polling booths. And like it as not, regardless of where your passport if from, it's you ethnicity and the traditional demographics that are going to play merry hell with your otherwise impeccable qualifications.

There has been requests from Singaporeans for the Government to be more transparent about the criteria. Ms Fu said that the government takes a holistic approach to the criteria, including a person’s education qualifications, assimilability, employment status and family background.

http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/Discuss ... 9336%5d%5d


Despite the increasing share of PRs among the resident population, which itself rose from 8.8 percent of the total population in 2000 to 14.3 percent in 2010, the ethnic composition of Singapore's residents has remained relatively stable since 1990. Albeit, the percentage of Chinese fell below 75 percent of the total resident population for the first time ever in 2010, while the share of Indians rose from 7.9 percent to 9.2 percent. These particular ethnic composition shifts are largely due to widening discrepancies between citizens' and PRs' ethnic profiles (Table 2).

http://www.migrationinformation.org/fea ... cfm?ID=887

The PAP is very uncomfortable with the reduced percentages of the Chinese population and the increased Indian population. Add to the, the Chinese have the lowest TFR and you can see why they are also trying to use immigration to return the racial demographics to the traditional numbers.

Permanent residence is an intermediate status through which foreigners take up citizenship. It is meant for those who have a long-term stake in Singapore and intend to sink roots here. We have tightened up significantly on the number of PRs granted each year. We have come down from a high of 79,000 new PRs in 2008 to about 30,000 each year currently. We plan to maintain the current pace. This will keep a stable PR population of between 0.5 and 0.6 million, and ensure a pool of suitable potential citizens.

http://asiasingapore.blogspot.sg/2013/0 ... tatus.html


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Postby Barnsley » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 12:51 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:
PNGMK wrote:and not be prosecuted for homophobia.


Where do they prosecute you for homophobia?


According to the never wrong Dailymail people are prosecuted for homophobia and gypsyphobia (the fear of gypsies stealing your wallet) on a daily basis in the UK.


Its a sad day when the Daily Mail is being quoted as place to find information.

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Postby yogaloungeforever » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 1:27 pm

Like I said, Indians with triple masters are arrogant b*****ds! For someone who made a big hoohah about the timeframe to obtain PR, you have an amazing ability of switching to humble mode. Very fast

adi_ wrote: .... I assume the people who post here are moderately educated (if i am not making too big an assumption)


The part of the world where you come from has even stricter immigration protocols. And that you are trying to apply PR in Singapore to secure your career and hence financial stability shows you are having it tough trying to secure a good paying job in the UK. I bet you are having to face up to racism to get good paying jobs in the UK. I know, because I was there for 15 years.

adi_ wrote:The part of the world I come from we help people and not judge them.


That you never bothered to do your own reading and research on this forum shows that great trait of your own kind

adi_ wrote:One thing that baffles me is how i would ruin anybodys chance to get a PR


Like I said, you have this amazing ability to switch to humble mode very fast ;) ... again a typical trait of your own kind.

When I read your reply to the initial response my first thoughts were you came across as desperate and that you obviously looked down on Singapore's way of getting things done. On top of this your next response, ie. name calling of another poster on this thread had me concluded you are no better than your own kind born and bred in the subcontinent. This, from someone who claims to have triple masters from some Ivies (yeah right!). (very) Educated people don't call people names. If you were (very) educated (as you claim to be) then you would seek to understand how things are done in this country.

adi_ wrote:I apologise if i touched some nerves there, where people who couldn’t match this thought best to put this fellow down, maybe that make them feel a whole lot bigger
....

Yeah, for starters ... name calling?!

adi_ wrote:The bottom line is what I can do for this country in many ways not many people can do....


That's your 2 cents to me. Frankly that you have to try for a PR to secure your career and financial stability in this country shows your very own shortcomings. If you are so (very) educated in some ivies, UK or the US is your only stops. Period.

adi_ wrote:One last piece of advice for any takers instead of showing the other person down and playing god try to work on what your shortcomings are, putting me down will not get you anywhere but working on yourselves might just do.



Good luck and healthy doses of this as well

adi_ wrote:will update you on how things go and shape up.


typical Indian behaviour and already expected. No wonder your own kind are not welcomed in this country.

adi_ wrote: just to give you a taste of your own medicine and I bet its bitter,
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Postby adi_ » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 1:56 pm

yogaloungeforever

dude I really think you have a hard on for Indians coz you got done by them, so what was it, was it in UK when some of my people bent you over or was it here that they roughed you up...well atleast I know you are not man enough to say this on someones face becasue i'd feel sorry to see what they would do to you.

So bark it off fella...maybe if somebody shagged me up my batty I would be bitter against them too.

So no HARD feelings (oops did we touch a nerve there :D )

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Postby yogaloungeforever » Mon, 02 Sep 2013 1:59 pm

No worries mate! I am just spreading the gospel. Where I come from Indians will always be the scum of society. So like I said, you must have had been bashed head on so bad in the UK you have to get the hell outta there. :)


adi_ wrote:yogaloungeforever

dude I really think you have a hard on for Indians coz you got done by them, so what was it, was it in UK when some of my people bent you over or was it here that they roughed you up...well atleast I know you are not man enough to say this on someones face becasue i'd feel sorry to see what they would do to you.

So bark it off fella...maybe if somebody shagged me up my batty I would be bitter against them too.

So no HARD feelings (oops did we touch a nerve there :D )
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