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Postby noskich » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 3:20 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
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LillyP1 wrote:Another question-
The chap before us was on an extortionate expenses- first class tickets, $20k housing assist etc,


What kind of a job is this?


The kind that absolutely needs someone with a specific skill set from a western country where he is at the point in his life he has multiple children and needs space for them.


LOL, so if you don`t have multiple kids you don`t qualify for a fat expat package? :)
Has to be from a `Western` country? Geez, how about an oil expert from Saudi or a logistics expert from China?
Both criteria fail. Specific skill set? Maybe. Or maybe just the experience. I don`t know, that`s why I ask and your answer is not bringing much value.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 6:15 pm

noskich wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
noskich wrote:
LillyP1 wrote:Another question-
The chap before us was on an extortionate expenses- first class tickets, $20k housing assist etc,


What kind of a job is this?


The kind that absolutely needs someone with a specific skill set from a western country where he is at the point in his life he has multiple children and needs space for them.


LOL, so if you don`t have multiple kids you don`t qualify for a fat expat package? :)
Has to be from a `Western` country? Geez, how about an oil expert from Saudi or a logistics expert from China?
Both criteria fail. Specific skill set? Maybe. Or maybe just the experience. I don`t know, that`s why I ask and your answer is not bringing much value.


No need to be such a retard and take everything literally. It was a tongue in cheek reply, but the answer stands: It is the kind of job where they need someone who wants to maintain a specific lifestyle they are accustomed to. The example I used, a westerner with multiple kids and a large house, can only be maintained in Singapore on ~$20k/month housing allowance.

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Postby noskich » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 6:30 pm

I honestly don`t understand why are you replying at all. I asked the user who posted the information. No need for second guessing here.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 7:41 pm

noskich wrote:I honestly don`t understand why are you replying at all. I asked the user who posted the information. No need for second guessing here.


Then send a PM if you don't want other people to join in. Or do you not understand how a pubic forum works?

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Postby noskich » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 8:14 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
noskich wrote:I honestly don`t understand why are you replying at all. I asked the user who posted the information. No need for second guessing here.


Then send a PM if you don't want other people to join in. Or do you not understand how a pubic forum works?


Joining in is not a problem. Problem is attempting to answer the question without having information by writing common sense.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 8:39 pm

noskich wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
noskich wrote:I honestly don`t understand why are you replying at all. I asked the user who posted the information. No need for second guessing here.


Then send a PM if you don't want other people to join in. Or do you not understand how a pubic forum works?


Joining in is not a problem. Problem is attempting to answer the question without having information by writing common sense.


I answered the question just fine. Sorry my answer wasn't politically correct enough for you. This is Singapore, profiling, favoritism and discrimination is alive and well. Ang Mo with family and desired skill can demand $20k/month housing and sometimes get it because he is Ang Mo.

People that have to ask on an internet forum what jobs are paying like that probably aren't going to get them anyway. And most people with packages like that will be loath answer as the roles are few and far enough between it will potentially out them. Ask Mr WD40 how that works out.

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Upfront costs

Postby stephen284362 » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 2:51 pm

Hi all

I'm new to this forum so please bear with me.... :wink:

My apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, either in another thread or in this one.

If have been offered a job in Singapore through my company (although technically separate entities so LOTS of issues with HR!!).
Part of the package is covering relocation costs which is great news and the company are offering to cover up to $15k (even better news!).

HOWEVER, these costs will not be paid until I start work with the company and frankly I don't have that kind of money available to pay up front.

We had budgeted to save enough for the deposit (2 months rent on a two year lease, I believe) + 1 month's rent in advance but not to have to pay out the relocation costs from our own pocket. Whilst these costs will be reimbursed, our cash flow just won't allow for it.

Has anyone else had this situation regarding relocation costs being covered by their future employer? If so, how was it dealt with? Lump sum paid in advance to cover these costs or reimbursement after paying out of your own pocket?

Thanks

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Re: Upfront costs

Postby Fortan » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 3:37 pm

stephen284362 wrote:Hi all

I'm new to this forum so please bear with me.... :wink:

My apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, either in another thread or in this one.

If have been offered a job in Singapore through my company (although technically separate entities so LOTS of issues with HR!!).
Part of the package is covering relocation costs which is great news and the company are offering to cover up to $15k (even better news!).

HOWEVER, these costs will not be paid until I start work with the company and frankly I don't have that kind of money available to pay up front.

We had budgeted to save enough for the deposit (2 months rent on a two year lease, I believe) + 1 month's rent in advance but not to have to pay out the relocation costs from our own pocket. Whilst these costs will be reimbursed, our cash flow just won't allow for it.

Has anyone else had this situation regarding relocation costs being covered by their future employer? If so, how was it dealt with? Lump sum paid in advance to cover these costs or reimbursement after paying out of your own pocket?

Thanks


I was in a similar situation but I had the cash to put upfront and claimed it later. Problem was that when they paid me the money, it appeared as income and was therefore taxable, so never quite got the amount I initially thought. I don't know why companies doesn't just pay the bill from the relocation firm themselves. I once had an employer, where I just handed in the bill from the relocation company and they sorted it, so it can be done both ways. Have you tried asking you future employer about the possibility of them picking up the bill?

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Postby Hannieroo » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 7:52 pm

We've had direct billing and a relo company that pay everything and bill the company at the end.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Wed, 02 Oct 2013 8:18 pm

Hannieroo wrote:We've had direct billing and a relo company that pay everything and bill the company at the end.

Same here; that would be my recommended course of action.
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Postby stephen284362 » Thu, 03 Oct 2013 6:53 am

Thanks all.

I naively assumed (I know, never assume!!) that the company would pay for these up front costs directly. Then when I was told that I would be getting a lump sum amount to cover the costs, I again assumed that this would be paid to me in advance.
The only other option that I can suggest to my boss is that I put the relocation costs on the company AMEX and that they recharge the costs from the Australian company to the Singapore company. Other than that, I don't know what else to do.

If these costs don't get paid in advance, the whole move is almost certainly off as I certainly don't have enough money to cover those costs plus the rental costs before I get paid, particularly given the 3 month timeframe I have for moving. If I had a year to save, I might just about be able to do it.

This is my first experience with relocating within a company so learning the hard way...

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Postby Mi Amigo » Thu, 03 Oct 2013 1:06 pm

Well you have my sympathy. I'm sure that many of us (certainly me) have learned some valuable lessons the hard way over the years. I guess all you can do is state to your situation to your employer in similar terms to the way you've laid out the facts above, and ask for their help. If they really want you to make the move then hopefully they will agree to change the billing arrangements. At the end of the day it would cost them more or less the same either way. You might perhaps have to agree to reimburse them if you leave the company within x months of moving in order to swing it.

If they don't want to play ball at all, then maybe it just wasn't meant to be, in which case put it down to experience and the avoidance of possible future difficulties with the company.

Good luck.
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Postby noskich » Thu, 03 Oct 2013 1:58 pm

You`ve been offered relocation to Singapore so I don`t think your problem is the income, rather the way you (mis)manage your money. 15K should be a pretty laughable amount for a Western expatriate in Singapore with multiple years of experience.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Thu, 03 Oct 2013 2:19 pm

noskich wrote:You`ve been offered relocation to Singapore so I don`t think your problem is the income, rather the way you (mis)manage your money. 15K should be a pretty laughable amount for a Western expatriate in Singapore with multiple years of experience.

I think that's rather judgemental of you. You know nothing about Stephen's circumstances.
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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 03 Oct 2013 2:25 pm

noskich wrote:You`ve been offered relocation to Singapore so I don`t think your problem is the income, rather the way you (mis)manage your money. 15K should be a pretty laughable amount for a Western expatriate in Singapore with multiple years of experience.


Why Western? Why not an oil expert from Saudi or a logistics expert from China? :cool:


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