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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby midlet2013 » Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:30 pm

yes, india is generally safe but one has to be careful.

for me, the point with singapore is that i dont have to make effort to be careful. singapore feels safe all the time. but other places, one has to be sensible about safety.

the case in Aus: that was simply unfortunate but it does question the general level of safety in residential area. just bcus it can happen anywhere does not absolve anyone of responsibility.

x9200 wrote:We felt generally safe in India. There were a few situations we felt not comfortable but we were the victims of the circumstance. Our perception was that it was the same as in any typical country with standard common sense applied but simply with more areas to avoid at certain time of the day.

What made us start thinking was this: we missed the train and we asked our host in Delhi to arrange a transportation (a car with a driver) for us to Agra. We intended to travel overnight. He said: for the safety reason don't go overnight, start the trip early morning.

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby Wd40 » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:26 am

midlet2013 wrote:yes, india is generally safe but one has to be careful.

for me, the point with singapore is that i dont have to make effort to be careful. singapore feels safe all the time. but other places, one has to be sensible about safety.

the case in Aus: that was simply unfortunate but it does question the general level of safety in residential area. just bcus it can happen anywhere does not absolve anyone of responsibility.

x9200 wrote:We felt generally safe in India. There were a few situations we felt not comfortable but we were the victims of the circumstance. Our perception was that it was the same as in any typical country with standard common sense applied but simply with more areas to avoid at certain time of the day.

What made us start thinking was this: we missed the train and we asked our host in Delhi to arrange a transportation (a car with a driver) for us to Agra. We intended to travel overnight. He said: for the safety reason don't go overnight, start the trip early morning.


Singapore's safety is directly related to the affluence of its people. How many homeless people are there in Singapore? Compare this with Australia:

http://www.homelessnessaustralia.org.au ... statistics

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby JR8 » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:17 pm

midlet2013 wrote:India is not safe
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India: How so? I travelled with a friend, then aged 18, and we back-packed our way right around the country (and Nepal). Got up real close with the locals on the 2nd/3rd class non-aircon trains and buses. What I found was a lot of generosity, not only with offers of food, but sharing experiences and perspectives. You could say the insight gained was incredible, and it has stayed with me for life.

We never had any major problems there, barring a few bouts of intestinal conditions, but nothing that couldn’t be fixed. The only times I recall safety concerns were a) a guy in Bombay ‘befriending’ us and trying to draw us into what might have been some kind of sting/robbery b) a person in Patna trying to coax us to his home to purchase some er, stuff from him. We got out of a) once we realised what was unfolding, and b) got immediately closed down, no chance. There’s poverty and beggars, but as with anywhere you learn how to deal with it, so that wasn’t a negative for us, within the local context (of our expectations?). So considering our age and our relative experience of ‘exotic foreign lands’ you might conclude that we found India very safe indeed.

midlet2013 wrote: Aus and western countries are relatively safer but probably less safer than Singapore
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Well I don’t know, there are neighbourhoods in the above where I’d be careful, and places that I simply wouldn’t go. The latter might include some areas of south London, Liverpool, Manchester, Berlin, Paris, Marseille, Harlem/Bronx, Washington DC, Philidelphia etc.
Singapore might be considered ‘safe’, but at what cost? Being anodyne, being boring, occasionally being a little intimidating in how the combined requirements of daily life result in a lack of the Western sense of personal freedom? I don’t know.

midlet2013 wrote: Whether they are incidents or not, do people feel safe in the western countries. You are safe as long as you are careful. In singapore, you do not have to be super careful.


That suggestion is one hell of a generalisation! Live in a bad neighbourhood and life can be hell. As a tourist I’ve only encountered pick-pockets twice in my life, once, unsuccessful, in Nicaragua at 1am on a bus, the other, successful, in a smart neighbourhood during daytime in Paris.
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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:30 pm

JR8 wrote:
midlet2013 wrote:India is not safe
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India: How so? I travelled with a friend, then aged 18, and we back-packed our way right around the country (and Nepal). Got up real close with the locals on the 2nd/3rd class non-aircon trains and buses. What I found was a lot of generosity, not only with offers of food, but sharing experiences and perspectives. You could say the insight gained was incredible, and it has stayed with me for life.


I think you and x9200 missed something ..

India, generally, is not safe for women, even if they travel in a group

And even if they travel in a group, they should avoid staying in cheap hotels (not even 3 star .. or less .. ) and strictly avoid going to any club/pub (club-pub - girl with lose morals .. ) and the likes

And group of women does include women upto 50s or older. .

And if the group of women of say, 4 women have a guy in tow, the constant attempts to 'make friends' will never cease .. true story .. even if there are 4 guys accompanying the 4 women, if the women look 'foreign' the attempts to chat up lose women will only slow but not stop. ..

That's true story from personal experience !!

I will leave it at that .. !!

PS, about older women, there is a joke (sorry for the thread drift)

An old British woman had been walking around Greece, and a young guy had asked her if she isn't worried to be alone ..

The old lady had replied "what will anybody do to an old woman like me .. "

The Greek guy had replied "ah, in Greece we have a saying, the older the chicken, tastier the soup" :P

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:38 pm

Wd40 wrote:Its news like this that make people think Australia is unsafe.
This news has got very wide coverage in the Indian media.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne ... arun-kumar


I've been to Paramatta and thereabouts many times, its known for a mix of Greek, Sub Conns, Turkish and other ethnicities.
It's known for good food, lots of Indian/turkish restaurants there.
It is also a rough neighbourhood, people have told me not to wander around as there have been instances of mugging/robbery even in broad daylight. So I'm not surprised to hear about this incident at all.
I also don't quite understand how most of the people back home ( India ) can automatically assume that all of Australia isn't safe based on incidents that target Indians abroad especially since a vast majority rely on their source of news on TV channels which are known for sensationalism.

If I remember right there used to be incidents in the USA where people from a specific community ( Telugu I think it was ) were being targeted and there was a clear pattern emerging, Indian students from universities or IT workers but this incident somehow escaped the media limelight
A brief search using keywords "Andhra student murdered USA " will yield many articles on the this.
Yet nobody talks about this or decries that USA isn't safe anymore.

Every city has its fair share of crime/accidents, in Bangalore approx 6-10 people die daily of hit and run accidents, stabbings, murder for gain etc. It's also the city I lived in for 30 years or more thankfully not encountering any of the above.
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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:46 pm

ecureilx wrote:I think you and x9200 missed something ..
India, generally, is not safe for women, even if they travel in a group

And even if they travel in a group, they should avoid staying in cheap hotels (not even 3 star .. or less .. ) and strictly avoid going to any club/pub (club-pub - girl with lose morals .. ) and the likes
And group of women does include women upto 50s or older. .
And if the group of women of say, 4 women have a guy in tow, the constant attempts to 'make friends' will never cease .. true story .. even if there are 4 guys accompanying the 4 women, if the women look 'foreign' the attempts to chat up lose women will only slow but not stop. ..
That's true story from personal experience !!




wow what a sweeping generalization.
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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby Wd40 » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:59 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:
ecureilx wrote:I think you and x9200 missed something ..
India, generally, is not safe for women, even if they travel in a group

And even if they travel in a group, they should avoid staying in cheap hotels (not even 3 star .. or less .. ) and strictly avoid going to any club/pub (club-pub - girl with lose morals .. ) and the likes
And group of women does include women upto 50s or older. .
And if the group of women of say, 4 women have a guy in tow, the constant attempts to 'make friends' will never cease .. true story .. even if there are 4 guys accompanying the 4 women, if the women look 'foreign' the attempts to chat up lose women will only slow but not stop. ..
That's true story from personal experience !!




wow what a sweeping generalization.


+1. Exactly what I was about to type. I mean if you cannot generalize Australia with a population of 23 million and largely urban, how can you generalize a population of 1.3Bn.

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby nakatago » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 1:07 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:
Wd40 wrote:Its news like this that make people think Australia is unsafe.
This news has got very wide coverage in the Indian media.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne ... arun-kumar


I've been to Paramatta and thereabouts many times, its known for a mix of Greek, Sub Conns, Turkish and other ethnicities.
It's known for good food, lots of Indian/turkish restaurants there.
It is also a rough neighbourhood, people have told me not to wander around as there have been instances of mugging/robbery even in broad daylight.


Well, how else am I gonna explain how 60% of the people I see in Parramatta station are Indians? :???:

(Indians being told not to go there, that is).

Westmead, Parramatta and Harris Park stations. I see a LOT of Indians/sub-cons. On the train, on the stations, walking around on the streets, in the mall.

With that many Indians, it also raises the probability one of them will be a victim of a crime.

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 16 Mar 2015 2:04 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:wow what a sweeping generalization.


Sweeping ? apologies if that sounds so..

Make it generalised view .. if that sounds better ... !!!!

PS, insert "FOREIGN" into the previous post, wherever women appears !!!

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby JR8 » Tue, 17 Mar 2015 1:25 pm

ecureilx wrote:I think you and x9200 missed something ..
India, generally, is not safe for women, even if they travel in a group
And even if they travel in a group, they should avoid staying in cheap hotels (not even 3 star .. or less .. ) and strictly avoid going to any club/pub (club-pub - girl with lose morals .. ) and the likes
And group of women does include women upto 50s or older. .
And if the group of women of say, 4 women have a guy in tow, the constant attempts to 'make friends' will never cease .. true story .. even if there are 4 guys accompanying the 4 women, if the women look 'foreign' the attempts to chat up lose women will only slow but not stop. ..
That's true story from personal experience !! I will leave it at that .. !!


Again this differs from my experience. I mentioned travelling around India/Nepal with a female friend, when we were both c18 years old. She actually began the journey about 6-8 weeks ahead of me as I was still in college. So in that time she landed in Delhi and travelled north up via Leh, Dharamsala and Srinigar staying on a boat on Lake Dal, and so on, before looping back to Delhi to meet me. And she did that solo, as a nubile young 'whitey'. [- Wish I could have had the time to have gone with her, it sounded amazing, she got to meet the Dalai Lama too!].

I recall her mentioning one chap who tried to grope her, I forget the circumstances, but somewhere in public. And she said she turned around and slapped him, so hard she pretty much fused his right ear and accompany head into his right collar-bone. Seeing stars > :???: :???: ... lol :cool: :lol: My friend thought she'd got sufficient pay-back, so it was just something that happened, rather than something she dwelled upon.

British country girls are built of pretty stern stuff, especially 'horse-women' (owners) like my friend. 'Tough as old boots' as the expression goes. Mess with them at your peril! :o :lol:

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Now who would you prefer to get into a fight with? Hmmm ... maybe not so easy/obvious! :lol:
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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby nakatago » Tue, 17 Mar 2015 1:31 pm

JR8 wrote:Now who would you prefer to get into a fight with? Hmmm ... maybe not so easy/obvious! :lol:


Either the horse or the baby.

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby JR8 » Tue, 17 Mar 2015 1:40 pm

nakatago wrote:Either the horse or the baby.


Yeah probably [genuine lol thx!] :lol:
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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby Primrose Hill » Tue, 17 Mar 2015 2:11 pm

nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:Now who would you prefer to get into a fight with? Hmmm ... maybe not so easy/obvious! :lol:


Either the horse or the baby.


Horse

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Re: PR rejected 2013

Postby x9200 » Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:29 am

ecureilx wrote:
rajagainstthemachine wrote:wow what a sweeping generalization.


Sweeping ? apologies if that sounds so..

Make it generalised view .. if that sounds better ... !!!!

Not sure if I missed something (ref to your earlier statement) but you seem to confuse being safe with being not comfortable. India got her reputation and it is a deserved one for the abuse of women including rapes and murders but IMHO this is not like a woman can not move in an open public space, what your post basically suggested. IMHO it is as usual about avoiding places and people when the common sense tells so. This may differ between men and women and from country to country but I believe the same principles apply.


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