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Subcontinental PR Abuse....... :x

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:58 pm

Good example of the PR abuse that we rail against here. This kind of BS is the reason why a lot of Indians are having problems now getting PR here.

http://therealsingapore.com/content/st- ... al-schools

And from the reference in the above link, an interview with the ultimate abuser!

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2011/09 ... w-citizen/

While I don't like these oppie sites, sadly it is a good reflection of what lengths some will go to in order to scam the system.

Best part is ICA is getting wise and now they are looking very carefully. They will find in the future when they try to return as adults that they will be screwed as they will already have a FIN which will never change. When they come back to try to get a job here, their application will reveal the FIN/Student Pass which will also indicate the parents and their status. Once that happens, the scam will be out of the bag and it's rather doubtful, unless they REALLY have a niche skillset that the government wants, they are probably going to find themselves rejected without explanation. I can only say, it's sad as it was the parents who screwed up the sons future possibly.

In fact, I'm going to venture a guess that that loophole will soon be closed and the parents REP will not be renewed if a male son is on a Student Visa instead of PR like the parents.

That's how it would be if I were in ICA, but I would look at ALL nationalities who try this sh*t!

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 1:42 pm

And if like me you didn't know wtf a 'Bhajan' was, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p7l3V_TpBU

I have a hard time being angry at this guy. Was ICA really that asleep at the wheel when they gave half his family PRs and him alone citizenship? If his application was fraudulent, then he is at fault. But if he was honest with all of the details and they still took him... their fault for being desperate?

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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 2:26 pm

zzm9980 wrote:And if like me you didn't know wtf a 'Bhajan' was, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p7l3V_TpBU

I have a hard time being angry at this guy. Was ICA really that asleep at the wheel when they gave half his family PRs and him alone citizenship? If his application was fraudulent, then he is at fault. But if he was honest with all of the details and they still took him... their fault for being desperate?


+1. I don't see him as having done anything illegal - just used the system. It's not abuse really - just wriggling through the loopholes. However his son probably will suffer - just ask Keith Steele whose sons (all three) have been offered massively good jobs in Singapore to only find out that MOM would not give them passes.... (as he had signed away their rights as babies). This father will feel the same regret in time.

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Postby Hannieroo » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 2:50 pm

I don't think a government should interfere with a parent's educational choices providing the child is receiving one.

But other than that I think you should be in or out. You want to be Singaporean, American, British or whatever or you don't. No mix and match cut to fit. No dual nationality.

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Postby bgd » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 2:58 pm

I don't understand why Singapore allows difference status within a family group. If Dad wants to be a PR then it's the whole family or nothing.

Someone care to explain why we have the current state were parents can be PR but the child not.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:03 pm

Well the guy in the interview certainly 'gamed' the system, although I agree he didn't do anything illegal. Just rather cynical and somewhat morally suspect behaviour (IMHO). But that's his choice and as zzm says, more 'fool' the gahmen for not seing through his actions.

Oh, and zzm, thanks for the bhajan link; I like the traditional music parts (especially the tabla); brings back memories of a Sikh wedding we attended recently

Standing by for R, er I mean WD40's comments on this one... ;-)
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Postby Mi Amigo » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:06 pm

bgd wrote:I don't understand why Singapore allows difference status within a family group. If Dad wants to be a PR then it's the whole family or nothing.

I agree. And let's be honest, some 'western' families have been known to follow the same tactics as this guy in the past. And it goes without saying that my view of them is no different whatsoever.
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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:13 pm

Mi Amigo wrote:Well the guy in the interview certainly 'gamed' the system, although I agree he didn't do anything illegal. Just rather cynical and somewhat morally suspect behaviour (IMHO). But that's his choice and as zzm says, more 'fool' the gahmen for not seing through his actions.

Oh, and zzm, thanks for the bhajan link; I like the traditional music parts (especially the tabla); brings back memories of a Sikh wedding we attended recently

Standing by for R, er I mean WD40's comments on this one... ;-)


:). I wanted to reply, atleast twice, but then decided not to.

This is nothing new as we all know and I can dig up threads from the past where we have been through this.

Basically, I have said, what ZZM said in this thread, in those threads as well. When they were giving PRs to people with just 6 months of stay in the country and to bachelors and to people who were omitting their children from the application, you know who was more desperate.

Another thing that I had mentioned before is that at no point in the application form or anywhere else, is it clearly spelled out about how "permanent" the permanent residency is. Its is a 5 year deal from both sides and that how people look at it.

Yes, we are opportunists, if you want to put it kindly. Abusers, I am not so sure :)

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Postby Mi Amigo » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:21 pm

Just had a quick look through the comments on the original TRE article. This is my favourite so far:

Whenever I see these fts I feel them their irritatthey curse ng tone and their kids are monkeys.

And their awful sense of dressing .


Pot, kettle, black...?? :twisted:

There are some 'reasonable' comments in there, but also as usual some farily viscious racial hatred going on.
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Postby Hannieroo » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:39 pm

Kids are monkeys? Disgusting.

If the loophole is there then more fool the gvt. You have to make the decisions that suit your family best.

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:48 pm

bgd wrote:I don't understand why Singapore allows difference status within a family group. If Dad wants to be a PR then it's the whole family or nothing.

Someone care to explain why we have the current state were parents can be PR but the child not.


Why the whole family cannot get PR at one go ? Well, well, say I am Working here for 5 years, and got married recently, and ICA unofficially says 'wait for 3 years and apply'

And in the meantime, wife gets a job, and ICa changes the tune, as the wife can be eligible on her own for PR, then again she hasn't got 3 years income tax statement or even less, so chance of success are low, and super low.

There is no one-size fit all says me ..

I recently bumped into some Indian guys, who are SC and spouse on PR, and the kids are in International School, simply because they are terrified of the Education system here once they go to P5, since there is streaming, express stream, and all complications and do genuinely worry their kids may end up in Poly et al .. No, I am going to their defense, and I don't have kids, so I couldn't relate much to it ..

And being in an Indian International School means, they can get into Indian Unis, when they complete the Indian A Level ... I am made to believe that is very stressful with the future with the local system and streaming .. where pretty much the kid's future is sealed at P5 ..




Sorry if that didn't jive with the mood here :) :) :) :)

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:49 pm

It wasnt even a loop hole. It was open for everyone to see.
I would just call it demand and supply. In 2005-2008 there was a rush to increase population at all costs and at that point Singapore wasnt as attractive as other developed western world and hence they had to dole out PRs in huge numbers to keep people here.

Ofcourse now the situation is quite reverse.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:52 pm

The son was born after the father received PR. I wonder when the daughter and mother got their PR? I also wonder when they came to Singapore. If they are recent PR's e.g., since 2007 after the guy got his citizenship, were they still in India up to that point or a year or two before that. I'm also guessing the mother went back to India to have the child so as to benefit from the lower costs of medical services and probably the parents came to Singapore with her and the baby as built in babysitters.

As noted, I wouldn't care what country you are from, I still say it's abusing the system and it's this kind of stuff that ultimately makes it hard for the rest of the FTs.

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 3:59 pm

US economy is picking up and I am pretty sure, its going to soak in a lot of talent in the near future. Europe is the biggest problem, still. Its crazy the number of British who are emigrating out every year. If only Europe got its act together, Singapore wouldn't have to deal with this PR rush.

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Postby Hidy Ho » Wed, 03 Jul 2013 4:35 pm

"Subcontinental PR Abuse....... Mad"

Really??? What abuse, except for starting a thread that point negatively at one group of people???


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