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Postby x9200 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:24 pm

Brah wrote:
Hannieroo wrote:I know it is and I do know a lot of it is intent but I don't really get why shortening such as "Jap" is always seen as offensive but "Brit" or "Aussie" are not.

Edit: Didn't address the Brit / Aussie thing.

I think the difference b/t those two and Jap is a) they are generally used in neutral or affectionate ways and b) people from those two countries use those terms for themselves.

And now we could get back to the AngMohs. In principle derogatory when used by locals, in reality not necessary and typically not perceived as derogatory by Angmohs themselves even if they know the origin.

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Postby Hannieroo » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:28 pm

Somebody did say it to my face the other week and I didn't like it. Didn't say anything though.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:38 pm

I rephrase. Typically not perceived as offensive. It is not completely neutral to me neither but I see it more like faux pas if said to me rather than intentional insult.

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Postby Hannieroo » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:48 pm

That is how I took it. It felt impolite rather than racial.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08 pm

Brah wrote:
JR8 wrote:Quite, 'Japs' is not offensive to me

It's isn't about you. It's offensive to the Japanese, and it's offensive to enlightened people who know the difference between an abbreviation and a slur.



They were cutting up people alive, including my 'wider social circle', and eating their organs.

And 50 years later you're discussing whether referring to them as 'Japs' is polite or not.

....

Revisionist.

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Postby Hannieroo » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:17 pm

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Brah wrote:
JR8 wrote:Quite, 'Japs' is not offensive to me

It's isn't about you. It's offensive to the Japanese, and it's offensive to enlightened people who know the difference between an abbreviation and a slur.



They were cutting up people alive, including my 'wider social circle', and eating their organs.

And 50 years later you're discussing whether referring to them as 'Japs' is polite or not.

....

Revisionist.


WTAF?

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:27 pm

It's ok, shh, ok.

We have a poster here, very knowlegable and 'connected' suggesting that the Japanese should not be referred to as 'Japs'.

We have others, suggesting that it is a reasonable and historic term of phrase. (or hate lol)

Ok?


Where are you in the discussion?


p.s. less running on and around and blowing the refs whistle, more participation before-hand please.

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Postby Hannieroo » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:32 pm

I'll comment where I bloody well please you jumped up know it all racist jerk. I think if you read less selectively you'd see that wasn't my first or even second post on this thread. But bite me anyway.

For somebody to state that actually, I know a lot of Japanese people really well and they find that offensive is fair comment. For somebody to say, but I just use it as an abbreviation same as brit is also fair comment.

Your comment above pretty much states how you feel and that you'll call "them" what you please because of those feelings.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:36 pm

Hannieroo wrote:I'll comment where I bloody well please you jumped up know it all racist jerk.



Hahaha...

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Postby earthfriendly » Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:31 am

I recently found out the term "Jap" is considered derogatory withiin Japan and it was explained to me by a Japanese that it was due to how it was used in USA due to WWII. Japan has a close / special link to USA and they pay close attention to what goes on there, especially with the Japanese community living there . But not every (Asian) country has that kind of relationship with USA. When I explained to him that in Singapore, the term was used an abbreviation and there was not much of anti- Japanese sentiments (maybe some from those who had gone thru the war ), he undersood it. I heard some war time stories from my grandma. My grandfaterh was one of those lined up along the SG shore ready to be executed but somehow was spared.

On the very rare occasions that WWII popped up in conversations with Japanese, they were quite ambivalent and not sure what to think about it. When it is clear to the rest of the world what actually took place in WWII. I think people need to acknowledge history headon. And from thence, everybody else can move on. That is how people get closure, including the perpetrator. Everyone involved in the war was a victim. Whenever an act of inhumanity is committed, we all suffer, including the perpetrator. But then nowadays, I do not know how interested are the young people about WWII. They may be too busy with their smart phones and Ipad. Then again, he who doesn't understand history is doomed to repeat it.

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Postby PNGMK » Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:54 am

Australian soldiers called the Japanese a lot of things and "Jap" was probably quite polite. "Yellow peril" and "Nips" come to mind as terms. Just walk through the Changi POW museum and read the diaries.

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Postby the lynx » Fri, 28 Jun 2013 8:50 am

If someone says that a specific term is derogatory to a specific group of people, isn't it easier to just stop using it altogether?

Doesn't matter if it is endearing to the user or not.

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 28 Jun 2013 8:53 am

Hannieroo wrote:Maybe he genuinely thinks your posts are controlled by a bug living up your ass.

How cool would be? You're a douche. No, sorry, I didn't write that. Assbug did. Get away with murder.


Star Trek II - Wrath of Khan was my favorite Star Trek, and that's basically the plot of it. Except the bugs go in their ears. And I've been called a shit-head, so I guess it all kind of works?

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 28 Jun 2013 8:56 am

x9200 wrote:And now we could get back to the AngMohs. In principle derogatory when used by locals, in reality not necessary and typically not perceived as derogatory by Angmohs themselves even if they know the origin.


After reading discussions on it, I start to feel offended by its use. But I hear it so often I can't possibly think everyone means it in a remotely offensive way. Latest example is the coffee shop* by my house. Barrista asks "Who is this latte for?" 'Oh, Ang Moh over there' (points to some other guy, not me).

* Btw, if you're in the east and want good coffee that rivals 40 Hands or any of those places, check out Penny University on East Coast Rd and Telok Kurau. On the first floor under the Peranakan Inn.

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 28 Jun 2013 8:58 am

JR8 wrote:
Hannieroo wrote:I'll comment where I bloody well please you jumped up know it all racist jerk.



Hahaha...


You laugh like you don't do this yourself. Still waiting for the explanation of the bug up my ass.

You know, your absence came up at the gathering. It was mentioned no one has actually ever met you. Some wondered if you're real at all.

I'm starting to suspect you're a menopausing woman.


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