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Postby JR8 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:03 am

morenangpinay wrote:My grandfather died in that ww2 death march in the Philippines but i dont understand therat's aversion to the japanese and why bring in brah's wife. But there is some truth to the comfort women and comfort boys ,japan has not yet formaly apologized and admitted it as war crime.just that they consider it as an unfortunate incident of war.this is the reason why the surviving comfort women and boys have not accepted their "apology".


[Think to self: Time to watch Apocalypse Now, again, and consider further the 'morals' of war].

My dad was steaming (Navy) for SE Asia when the war ended in May '45. Some of my fathers friends/acquaintances were POWs in Burma. Beyond modern political correctness, I think you need to accept how such people feel about 'The Japs'. It is not derogatory, no more so than say it was OK calling African-Americans, 'black people', up until about 20 years ago, when fashion/politics ruled it non-PC.

I used to live in Japan, and I love the place, it's people (oh yeah I loved it's young ladies...), it's culture. When I heard my father using the term 'Japs' it was... just so wrong, and crashing, to my ears. But who am I to tell him he somehow should change his vocabulary because it's now considered fashionably impolite?

p.s. Tokyo is the only place I've lived abroad where my parents have declined to visit. (My mother said she would have liked to visit Kyoto and the temples/gardens, but my Dad, he just couldn't... )

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Postby Steve1960 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 3:32 pm

JR8 wrote:but My God if you're with Germans, just don't mention the war.



Just to inject a little humour mand cool everyones jets you did remind me of that episode of Fawlty Towers.

'Whatever you do dont mention the war, I did but I think I got away with it'

and

'You started it. NoI didn't you started it you invaded Poland'

:lol:

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 4:05 pm

Steve1960 wrote:Just to inject a little humour mand cool everyones jets you did remind me of that episode of Fawlty Towers.

'Whatever you do dont mention the war, I did but I think I got away with it'
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'You started it. NoI didn't you started it you invaded Poland'

:lol:


This is so true. It's like the perma-elephant in the room. Discuss anything, the Germans are worldly and intelligent people - But for God sake don't make ANY reference to the war.


p.s. In comparison you see no such 'recalcitrance or guilt' in Japan at all. But that's for another day...

[This is how it is - I used to live there. Monuments and so on, galore, to their atrocities - but for God sake don't say anything about it to anyone...].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0
Fawlty Towers : Basil Fawlty waits on the Germans - Fawlty Towers

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Postby PNGMK » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 5:07 pm

Brah wrote:
PNGMK wrote:They weren't colonies of Jap.

Again with the racial slur. And you paint yourself as a Christian. Now who is the hypocrite?


Typing too quickly. "Jap." = Japan. My point is merely trivial but has been noted by others that former colonies of Japan have done very well for themselves and some wonder if the colonialisation by Japan left some good behind (for example; organisational abilities which the Japanese are good at). I don't have a strong opinion on it except to say that I'm glad I've never been a subject of Japan prior or during WWII.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 5:21 pm

My Dad, up till the day he died, still used the derogatory term as well. But, considering he was on the invasion landing of Okinawa in WWII I can understand it, I guess, although I don't use any derogatory terms for the Vietnamese. I could never understand it but there you go.

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Postby Hannieroo » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 5:30 pm

I know it is and I do know a lot of it is intent but I don't really get why shortening such as "Jap" is always seen as offensive but "Brit" or "Aussie" are not.

I've been doing stuff online all day and I am sure on at least one site (prob sg based) I've seen jap to mean japanese in an entirely shortening kind of way.

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Postby Brah » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:01 pm

Hannieroo wrote:I know it is and I do know a lot of it is intent but I don't really get why shortening such as "Jap" is always seen as offensive but "Brit" or "Aussie" are not.

I've been doing stuff online all day and I am sure on at least one site (prob sg based) I've seen jap to mean japanese in an entirely shortening kind of way.

I think because it is a wartime derogatory term and in the only derogatory manner in which it is used.

Like SMS and I think JR8, my father too, though completely non-racist (he really liked my wife and other Japanese GFs), used the term and was in the war, so was permanently altered from that.

Ok think we can move on from the Japan stuff now, it's not even what the thread is about.

Having said that, just what is this thread about now?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:10 pm

The other half of the Evil Axis of WWII. :-(

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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:11 pm

Brah, I think it's about nazis. But I'm waiting to see if JR8 is going to answer my direct question to him about his unwarranted provocation:

zzm9980 wrote:
JR8 wrote:You make the accusation, then apparently delete you own posts.


I deleted no posts. are you losing your mind, or talking to someone else?

I challenge why you said:
JR8 wrote:ZZMs is from having a bug up his a***



Curious if he misunderstood what I said somehow, or was just being salty from the other thread because he hates America and our Freedom.
:P :cool:

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Postby Hannieroo » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:25 pm

Maybe he genuinely thinks your posts are controlled by a bug living up your ass.

How cool would be? You're a douche. No, sorry, I didn't write that. Assbug did. Get away with murder.

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Postby Brah » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:29 pm

Actually, thank God for that movie Team America - one of the few examples of America being perfectly aware of how it appears to the outside world, that a fair amount of the outside world has watched.

Must admit, not everyone back home has a clue. For every stereotype there is a truth and an overstatement.

Plus it's brilliant. Right up there with Robot Chicken.

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Postby Brah » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:37 pm

Hannieroo wrote:I know it is and I do know a lot of it is intent but I don't really get why shortening such as "Jap" is always seen as offensive but "Brit" or "Aussie" are not.

Edit: Didn't address the Brit / Aussie thing.

I think the difference b/t those two and Jap is a) they are generally used in neutral or affectionate ways and b) people from those two countries use those terms for themselves.

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:41 pm

Hannieroo wrote:I know it is and I do know a lot of it is intent but I don't really get why shortening such as "Jap" is always seen as offensive but "Brit" or "Aussie" are not.



Quite, 'Japs' is not offensive to me, just an abbreviation. No more than 'Frenchies' or 'Krauts'


If you say 'Nips' I might raise an eyebrow, but only it's a rare and weird term...



--- I think we're all within the circle of socially acceptable terminology here.... no big shockers...

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Postby Hannieroo » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 8:49 pm

Brah wrote:
Hannieroo wrote:I know it is and I do know a lot of it is intent but I don't really get why shortening such as "Jap" is always seen as offensive but "Brit" or "Aussie" are not.

Edit: Didn't address the Brit / Aussie thing.

I think the difference b/t those two and Jap is a) they are generally used in neutral or affectionate ways and b) people from those two countries use those terms for themselves.

Thank you, that was what I wondered. If it was something used by Japanese people themselves.

I most certainly would not use frenchie or kraut.

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Postby Brah » Thu, 27 Jun 2013 9:53 pm

JR8 wrote:Quite, 'Japs' is not offensive to me

It's isn't about you. It's offensive to the Japanese, and it's offensive to enlightened people who know the difference between an abbreviation and a slur.

My issue is dealing with seemingly intelligent people who persist in perpetuating the slur while posing it as an innocent mistake, as if it's ok to be offensively ignorant and uncouth.

Think of it like the "N" word, it's not much different. I don't know about Frenchie, but Kraut sounds pretty offensive, I know I wouldn't use it.

Go ahead and use it if you must, if you do you know what you are.


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