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Hubby applying for PR

Postby Jellyhead » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:59 am

I have just discovered that my husband is applying for PR. This is something we have discussed in the past and I have said I would not be keen as I do not want my three sons doing National Service. He is applying without telling me.

My sons and I are on a DP attached to his EP. If he applies - and is accepted - for a PR, what is our position? Will the boys (two not far off of National Service age in the duration of the proposed PR) have to do National Service since I am not PR? If I leave the country with my sons will they be seen as neglecting their duty and be made to return to complete it or to be punished by not being allowed to return to Singapore?

If anyone is able to clarify the situation I would be most grateful.

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Postby AngMoG » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:30 am

First of all, this is probably something you should talk about in detail with your husband.

Your boys will only have to do NS if they become PRs themselves. That depends on whether or not your husband has included them in their application. Your status also depends on whether he has included you in the application as well.

In general, I would say his chances of getting the PR are pretty low, if he has not included you and your children in the application. Seeing as from what I read, they prefer family units to apply together. But if he does get it, you and the boys can still stay here in principle, but I am not sure how the transition would be.

If he has included all of you, and the PRs get approved, then your boys may be liable for NS. If they renounce their PRs before being called in, they will most likely be seen as skirters, and would have difficulties in the future getting visa for Singapore.

But I'll let others such as MS chime in on this, who have more experience and knowledge :)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:30 pm

If he has applied without including you and the children, see a lawyer for a Plan B. Just sayin'

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 1:34 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:If he has applied without including you and the children, see a lawyer for a Plan B. Just sayin'


not likely to have applied minus the spouse' / kids knowledge, as, if I remember correctly, whether they apply or not, the family members must turn up at ICA at the time of submission .. I think that rule is still there ..

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Postby PNGMK » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 2:05 pm

ecureilx wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:If he has applied without including you and the children, see a lawyer for a Plan B. Just sayin'


not likely to have applied minus the spouse' / kids knowledge, as, if I remember correctly, whether they apply or not, the family members must turn up at ICA at the time of submission .. I think that rule is still there ..


Krikey - whats the big deal with PR? Anyways I think the OP is saying hubby has applied .... but not yet had a response... reading between the lines.

IF the OP really wants no risk of NS etc I'd suggest she 'apply' for a divorce and leave the paperwork lying around (but unfiled)....

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 4:18 pm

PNGMK wrote:Krikey - whats the big deal with PR? Anyways I think the OP is saying hubby has applied .... but not yet had a response... reading between the lines.

IF the OP really wants no risk of NS etc I'd suggest she 'apply' for a divorce and leave the paperwork lying around (but unfiled)....


.. that my husband is applying for PR.....

Well, in all seriousness, if it was my wife, and she told made such a demand, I would opt for Plan B as have seen enough who have been tossed around, when they were in EP, and virtually screwed to the max by employers who realised the employee had fewer choices .. EP on their terms -or back to base. When times get tough, SMS bosses will be spoilt for choices and will try all things possible, when dealing with EP holders ;)

Now, on the other hand, if the husband is such a talent and will always be in demand, PR or not, then, I wouldn't worry, but .. in that case, why would he contemplate PR ?

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Postby angeltan321 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 7:12 pm

Don't have to serve ns as long as your son are not a pr. Your dependant pass will be cancelled once your husband got the pr but he can apply long term visit pass for u and your children in order to stay in singapore.

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Re: Hubby applying for PR

Postby Wd40 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 8:34 pm

Jellyhead wrote:I have just discovered that my husband is applying for PR. This is something we have discussed in the past and I have said I would not be keen as I do not want my three sons doing National Service. He is applying without telling me.

My sons and I are on a DP attached to his EP. If he applies - and is accepted - for a PR, what is our position? Will the boys (two not far off of National Service age in the duration of the proposed PR) have to do National Service since I am not PR? If I leave the country with my sons will they be seen as neglecting their duty and be made to return to complete it or to be punished by not being allowed to return to Singapore?

If anyone is able to clarify the situation I would be most grateful.


You seem to have a bigger problem. The fact that he is applying without telling you.

I am sure, he hasnt included you in the PR, as your signature is required to give consent for it.

Regarding your children. He may or may not have included them.

But, regardless, its unlikely that your husband and/or your children will get the PR, if they dont apply for the whole family.

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 8:49 pm

ecureilx wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:If he has applied without including you and the children, see a lawyer for a Plan B. Just sayin'


not likely to have applied minus the spouse' / kids knowledge, as, if I remember correctly, whether they apply or not, the family members must turn up at ICA at the time of submission .. I think that rule is still there ..

Hard to believe in such a rule to be frank.

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Postby Mi Amigo » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 9:21 pm

x9200 wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:If he has applied without including you and the children, see a lawyer for a Plan B. Just sayin'


not likely to have applied minus the spouse' / kids knowledge, as, if I remember correctly, whether they apply or not, the family members must turn up at ICA at the time of submission .. I think that rule is still there ..

Hard to believe in such a rule to be frank.

I find that a little hard to believe also, based on my own experience.

We applied for PR as a family and after the approval was given we had some discussion within the family along the lines of... what would happen if one of our daughters decided that she didn't want to accept the PR. So I called the ICA and asked them; the response was that an individual family member (apart from the main applicant, i.e. me) could decline the offer of PR if they wanted and this would not affect the status of the others. In the end this was really just an 'academic' question and we all completed the PR formalities.

So based on this it would seem that *if* the OP's husband applies / has applied for PR for the whole family, and *if* it were to be approved, the OP and her sons could decline to accept it, and the husband could (theoretically) still take up PR. Getting LTVPs for the other family members afterwards would be another open question of course.

Now, *maybe* it depends on whether the children are male or female? I'm wondering this because you might otherwise have whole families (including sons) applying for PR (to improve the chances of success) and then the sons declining to accept it, so as to avoid NS. All this is pure conjecture of course, and I hope I haven't given anyone dodgy ideas.

At the end of the day, the best thing for the OP to do (before or after having a serious talk with her other half) would be to call the ICA and ask them directly.

EDIT: Oops. Just re-read Squirrel's comment and realise it's about a different scenario to the one I discussed above:
ecureilx wrote:not likely to have applied minus the spouse' / kids knowledge, as, if I remember correctly, whether they apply or not, the family members must turn up at ICA at the time of submission .. I think that rule is still there ..

Sounds bizarre to me a person only applying on their own would have to take their whole family with them to the ICA to submit the application. When I applied for the whole family, I went on my own to submit the documents.
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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 19 Jun 2013 9:45 am

x9200 wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:If he has applied without including you and the children, see a lawyer for a Plan B. Just sayin'


not likely to have applied minus the spouse' / kids knowledge, as, if I remember correctly, whether they apply or not, the family members must turn up at ICA at the time of submission .. I think that rule is still there ..

Hard to believe in such a rule to be frank.


12 months ago, ICA's submission for a married person, required all family members, applying or not, to turn up.

Was it changed so fast ? I doubt it. I may be wrong though .. and that case may have been an exception ..


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