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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:11 am

It's primarily due to the Southwest Monsoon which runs from June to Sept and tends to coincide with the burnings in Riau primarily. Happens same time every year but if the season is drier than normal then the haze is worse.

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Postby Sergei82 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:36 am

[quote="therat"]Once an Indonesian government spokesman said:

“It has only been a week of smoke but people are already making so much noise. What about all the oxygen that (Indonesia) supplies to them during the rest of the year?â€Â

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:45 am

[quote="Sergei82"][quote="therat"]Once an Indonesian government spokesman said:

“It has only been a week of smoke but people are already making so much noise. What about all the oxygen that (Indonesia) supplies to them during the rest of the year?â€Â

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Postby local lad » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:16 am

:???: ... the haze problem does not lie with the Indonesians....it lies with...

"...Ministry official Hadi Daryanto ( of Indonesia ) attempted to shift some of the blame onto Malaysia and Singapore, saying their palm oil companies that had invested in Indonesia were also responsible.
"We hope the governments of Malaysia and Singapore will tell their investors to adopt proper measures so we can solve this problem together," he said.... "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvtupRqwo1H0SS3DvQQUoyQEVPdQ?docId=CNG.c1ea286aeb09226f2477e474cccd6f2f.4b1

:shock:

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Postby Sergei82 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:18 am

I haven't signed up to feed all kinds of hobos at expense of my health. Let them shit on their own heads if they want, as long as it doesn't splash around and lands on me!

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:19 am

local lad wrote::???: ... the haze problem does not lie with the Indonesians....it lies with...

"...Ministry official Hadi Daryanto ( of Indonesia ) attempted to shift some of the blame onto Malaysia and Singapore, saying their palm oil companies that had invested in Indonesia were also responsible.
"We hope the governments of Malaysia and Singapore will tell their investors to adopt proper measures so we can solve this problem together," he said.... "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvtupRqwo1H0SS3DvQQUoyQEVPdQ?docId=CNG.c1ea286aeb09226f2477e474cccd6f2f.4b1

:shock:


On that.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.hardwarezone.com.sg%2Feat-drink-man-woman-16%2F%255Bbreaking-news%255D-wat-s-h-i-t-times-dont-tell-you-our-pap-government-responsible-haze-4256497.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFSe3nKoING8OhyzRzxYr6kn1SaSQ

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Postby Sergei82 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:46 am

the lynx wrote:
local lad wrote::???: ... the haze problem does not lie with the Indonesians....it lies with...

"...Ministry official Hadi Daryanto ( of Indonesia ) attempted to shift some of the blame onto Malaysia and Singapore, saying their palm oil companies that had invested in Indonesia were also responsible.
"We hope the governments of Malaysia and Singapore will tell their investors to adopt proper measures so we can solve this problem together," he said.... "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvtupRqwo1H0SS3DvQQUoyQEVPdQ?docId=CNG.c1ea286aeb09226f2477e474cccd6f2f.4b1

:shock:


On that.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.hardwarezone.com.sg%2Feat-drink-man-woman-16%2F%255Bbreaking-news%255D-wat-s-h-i-t-times-dont-tell-you-our-pap-government-responsible-haze-4256497.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFSe3nKoING8OhyzRzxYr6kn1SaSQ

So far that hardwarezone thread looks more like speculation and political agitation.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:32 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's primarily due to .



~I'd suggest what it's 'primarly due to', but you'd delete me.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 1:58 pm

Sergei82 wrote:
the lynx wrote:
local lad wrote::???: ... the haze problem does not lie with the Indonesians....it lies with...

"...Ministry official Hadi Daryanto ( of Indonesia ) attempted to shift some of the blame onto Malaysia and Singapore, saying their palm oil companies that had invested in Indonesia were also responsible.
"We hope the governments of Malaysia and Singapore will tell their investors to adopt proper measures so we can solve this problem together," he said.... "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvtupRqwo1H0SS3DvQQUoyQEVPdQ?docId=CNG.c1ea286aeb09226f2477e474cccd6f2f.4b1

:shock:


On that.

[url]http://www.google.com/url?
q=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.hardwarezone.com.sg%2Feat-drink-man-woman-16%2F%255Bbreaking-news%255D-wat-s-h-i-t-times-dont-tell-you-our-pap-government-responsible-haze-4256497.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFSe3nKoING8OhyzRzxYr6kn1SaSQ[/url]

So far that hardwarezone thread looks more like speculation and political agitation.


I suspect there is a lot of truth in it though.
http://www.temasek.com.sg/mediacentre/n ... ailid=8453

It's probably not just them, but I would give a better than 50/50 chance quite a few are at least partially owned by Singaporean companies.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 2:01 pm

JR8 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:It's primarily due to .



~I'd suggest what it's 'primarly due to', but you'd delete me.


I'm dying to know.

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 2:28 pm

QRM wrote:
x9200 wrote:- the mentioned purifiers with ionizers should help a bit
- also IMHO just an ordinary aircon should remove some fraction with the moisture condensing and being dumped down the drain

Alot of these ionising/ozone filters causes more problems then it solves see this web page for filters to avoid, http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/ozone.htm

True but if something generates Ozone you will smell it very soon. The trick is to charge the smoke particles so they can be atracted to the filter's mesh.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 3:26 pm

Sergei82 wrote:
the lynx wrote:
local lad wrote::???: ... the haze problem does not lie with the Indonesians....it lies with...

"...Ministry official Hadi Daryanto ( of Indonesia ) attempted to shift some of the blame onto Malaysia and Singapore, saying their palm oil companies that had invested in Indonesia were also responsible.
"We hope the governments of Malaysia and Singapore will tell their investors to adopt proper measures so we can solve this problem together," he said.... "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvtupRqwo1H0SS3DvQQUoyQEVPdQ?docId=CNG.c1ea286aeb09226f2477e474cccd6f2f.4b1

:shock:


On that.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.hardwarezone.com.sg%2Feat-drink-man-woman-16%2F%255Bbreaking-news%255D-wat-s-h-i-t-times-dont-tell-you-our-pap-government-responsible-haze-4256497.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFSe3nKoING8OhyzRzxYr6kn1SaSQ

So far that hardwarezone thread looks more like speculation and political agitation.


Even WSJ is making that claim:

http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2013/0 ... od=WSJBlog
[quote]While subsistence farmers and accidental causes have also been blamed, academics say most fires have been detected in plantation areas owned or to be used by palm oil companies—

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 3:55 pm

zzm9980 wrote:So angry.

How dare thousands or even millions of people struggling to survive in a third world shit hole dare inconvenience those of us on this little red dot a few weeks every year. Forcing us to stay in aircon'd malls or busses for more time than we already do.

Somehow I suspect if given the option, they too would rather be in the malls than outside slashing and burning everything around them. But I do understand the choice they make between slashing and burning so they can put food on the table, or not eating. I'd probably do the same.


Oh wow that is so Liberal/American.
And how dare you just throw out those blanket accusations (you lilly-livered poofta ha)
Burning forests is big business, not 'peasants nudging along on their knees for a daily cup of rice'.
It doesn't 'inconvenience 'us'. It kills people, year in year out. You know the elderly and poor.
Don't broad-brush your life/left wing/CA- guilt onto others. I don't have air-con, but open windows (but I expect you have air-con to make such a comment)*


Commie apologist hogwash!



* I'll send you a pic of all the sh&t and smuts on my wife's Apple, from a few days near an open window. Fetid.

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Postby Hannieroo » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 4:02 pm

I agree it's worrying and unpleasant but "my iPad got dirty" is a bit first world problem.

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Postby Sergei82 » Tue, 18 Jun 2013 4:07 pm

Hannieroo wrote:I agree it's worrying and unpleasant but "my iPad got dirty" is a bit first world problem.

You're also in the same direction??? A half of people surrounding me in the office are coughing all day long, me myself can't talk a single complete sentence without choking and coughing. Are we all freaking snobs???


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