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Post by zzm9980 » Tue, 26 Nov 2013 2:45 pm

JR8 wrote:
No. If you live in any borough and are considered in need of a provision of housing, then that borough legally has to provide it. [Side reference: Romanian immigrants turn up in a truck, and get to live in £2m Kensington villas funded by taxpayers who themselves can't afford to buy £60k homes elsewhere]. EU law ... ain't it just great.
That does sound great. What must I legally do to be considered 'living' in Kensington and in need of a house?

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Post by JR8 » Tue, 26 Nov 2013 2:52 pm

zzm9980 wrote: That does sound great. What must I legally do to be considered 'living' in Kensington and in need of a house?
Isn't it grand. But do note to get the really big Georgian villas you need to pop out about 6 babies (then you get Benefits for 6-8 too), and you work, don't report tax, and the children are sent out to rob, pimp and sell drugs [bite me].

The legal status of living there? I think you just have to go there and declare yourself homeless. That seems to be how it works, 50 Albanians fall out of a truck at Dover 'I am homeless', and that's it, homes + bennies etc for life.

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Post by bgd » Tue, 26 Nov 2013 5:47 pm

Can’t find the link now but HDB owes much to UK council housing. Singapore looked at the UK model and improved it. Basically they turned tenants into owners surmising, correctly, that owners will take better care of their property.

We came full circle in the 1980’s. Thatcher saw the Singapore model working so starting selling off council housing to tenants.

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Post by JR8 » Tue, 26 Nov 2013 8:42 pm

bgd wrote:Can’t find the link now but HDB owes much to UK council housing. Singapore looked at the UK model and improved it. Basically they turned tenants into owners surmising, correctly, that owners will take better care of their property.

We came full circle in the 1980’s. Thatcher saw the Singapore model working so starting selling off council housing to tenants.
The UK provided *let* property to people who could not afford to buy. The various Rent Acts were protection again brutal nightmare landlords. Landlord + Tenant 1986 or which ever and 1956 or so on...
Later it (the Tory Party) realised there were votes in selling £500k properties to people for 10p [I bought one, mmm yummy in my tummy].

With a properly drafted lease, a tenant will take care of a property. In the UK, the whole concept of 'right to buy', was encouraging people to have a stake in their neighbourhood. Turning ghettos into place others might want to live in. From what I've seen it worked. I laugh at yuppies around Artesian Road W2, Alexander Street, Sunderland Terrace, Westbourne Garens, Durham Terrace and so so (and so on) when they roll up in the Porsche and Prada... but there we go, knowing that 25 years ago they'd probably have have been mugged and raped just for being in 'my street' at the wrong time, which of course is any time.
These days I try not to laugh openly before taking their money.
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Post by JR8 » Wed, 27 Nov 2013 3:33 pm

I find the concept of heritable, purchasable council housing wrong.

'Just because your parents went through a bad patch financially 80 years ago, shouldn't mean you now have a bullet-proof right to live in a central London villa for 2 shillings a quarter.'

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Post by PrimroseHill » Wed, 27 Nov 2013 4:28 pm

Agree.
However, that concept of entitlement

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