You appear confused.ecureilx wrote: PS: for those who are insisting charities are scamming, do yourself a favour: go and complain to CPIB or COC !! than throwing wild accusations.
I'm not accusing any specific charity of any specific acts. I've just said that enough charities practice shading enough dealings that it is not worth my time and effort to vet every single org that sticks students out there with stickers asking for my money. When charities in general earn MY trust, maybe I'll think differently.ecureilx wrote: PS: for those who are insisting charities are scamming, do yourself a favour: go and complain to CPIB or COC !! than throwing wild accusations.
Well, if you did read up what happened in the end, TT Durai was sent to jail / bankrupted for a much smaller amount, vs what the public was made to believe. Abuse of public trust was the major issue, which the COC remedied by adding more rules to the IPCs. Essentially there were no rules in place to dictate what can be done and what cannot be, in black and white, till then.JR8 wrote:You appear confused.ecureilx wrote: PS: for those who are insisting charities are scamming, do yourself a favour: go and complain to CPIB or COC !! than throwing wild accusations.
The NKF were scamming, that's why it's leaders were jailed. Correct?
Much of the rest of the discussion concerns the general philosophy of the act of charity: What are these 'wild accusations' that you allude to?
So in summary, I'm right. I'd suggest you pick your arguments more carefully.ecureilx wrote: Well
Well then address your post to this named person (even now you won't name them), rather than sowing general discord!ecureilx wrote: re: Wild accusations, well, I was not referring to you, but another posted who kept saying charities here are on a roll enjoying high life with public money .. never mind ..
it was addressed to kookaburrah to be specific ..JR8 wrote:So in summary, I'm right. I'd suggest you pick your arguments more carefully.ecureilx wrote: Well
Well then address your post to this named person (even now you won't name them), rather than sowing general discord!ecureilx wrote: re: Wild accusations, well, I was not referring to you, but another posted who kept saying charities here are on a roll enjoying high life with public money .. never mind ..
I just re-read every post he made, and he didn't do that. This being Singapore, he could sue you for defamation and bankrupt you on that claim. You should apologize, or point out where he did this.ecureilx wrote: 'pologies for not making that clear .. after all kookaburrah started the thread and insists that the donations are scam.
He never called them illegal, did he? I just control-F'd through the whole post and only see you claiming he said this.ecureilx wrote: I am still trying to figure out what ticked kookaburrah off .. maybe is a magnet for such 'illegal' fund raisers ??
Thanks zzm. Ecureilx, frankly I am perplexed - I keep saying I do not believe these fundraisers are illegal in any way. I have stressed, and will stress one more time, that I am sure they use the money in government approved ways.. You are running the risk of seeming either illiterate or obtuse.zzm9980 wrote:I just re-read every post he made, and he didn't do that. This being Singapore, he could sue you for defamation and bankrupt you on that claim. You should apologize, or point out where he did this.ecureilx wrote: 'pologies for not making that clear .. after all kookaburrah started the thread and insists that the donations are scam.
He never called them illegal, did he? I just control-F'd through the whole post and only see you claiming he said this.ecureilx wrote: I am still trying to figure out what ticked kookaburrah off .. maybe is a magnet for such 'illegal' fund raisers ??
It's also pretty clear, from the clever use if parentheses and quotation marks which side of the fence you're sitting on, on this one jonive.jonivefan wrote:Its pretty clear whats going on here. Seems some people don't like being swarmed by children (i guess its fashionable to call teens that nowadays to make them seem less credible?) to be put on 'the spot' made uncomfortable and socially coerced into donating.
No real need to get carried away and talk about whether the money collected gets spent correctly; doubt you'd find a country out there where there is less corruption that SG.
So this is another practice, perhaps unique to SG, that gripes OP. And to any charity organizers this should be an indication perhaps of how effective their methods really are vis-a-vis people like OP. As the situation stands, both parties are losers, one gets annoyed and the other doesn't get any donations.
What I dislike is how one side gets defensive and there is more than just innuendo in OP's posts about the situation being much better in other countries. That's totally uncalled for. Just try to keep this in mind. Having to be reminded by others reflects poorly on you.
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