in a nutshell, in Philippine Law, if you don't engage an agent, you are an illegal worker.x9200 wrote:Thanks morenangpinay. This I understand, but what I am missing is where do you see this illegal recruitment or any law violation of the agency for that matter.
Ah, Human Trafficking.. the magic word ...morenangpinay wrote:i dont think you are picking on me ecureilx,just that we are coming from 2 different opinions. Yours is the illegal process when Im stating the legal process. why? the short answer to your long post is human trafficking.
im sure everyone would be happy if Philippines were as streamlined as Singapore. unfortunately, there are many people who are very creative in getting out of the country.ecureilx wrote:Ah, Human Trafficking.. the magic word ...morenangpinay wrote:i dont think you are picking on me ecureilx,just that we are coming from 2 different opinions. Yours is the illegal process when Im stating the legal process. why? the short answer to your long post is human trafficking.
My point is, loading all ineffective processes and papers doesn't solve human trafficking .. it only helps keep the many agencies and numerous govt employees busy checking if the contract covers burial expenses etc ..
And the reality is, while those who legally get a job, and want to go abroad get picked apart, while those who go abroad to work in bars/pubs/ktvs don't seem to have any issue transiting the BI's Security Cordon
The intention is right, but execution is wrong .. I guess it is accepted in view of the enormous amount of revenue / salary money being generated ..
I am sure a streamlined and voluntary POEA registration option would reduce staff by about 75% at POEA/OWWA and also make many people in the PH Embassy who process 'exit permits' and the like jobless ..
And limit compulsory registration and clearance for FDW/Low paid workers ..
I am not kidding when 9 out of 10 Filipinos I know swear they got PR or LTVP or DP to avoid getting hassled by the Powers-be of BI, whenever they leave PH for work !!!
morenangpinay wrote: and why would you suggest to limit the registration of fdw? dont you know they are the most vulnerable worker because they live with the employer. so if you limit their registration, how do you propose to monitor them or have atleast their record?
It also serves to enrich the civil servants as well., Must not forget.bro75 wrote:The strict Philippine rules is due to the fact that when the overseas workers get into trouble, their relatives complain to the politicians and politicians will complain about the "useless" embassy officials. A lot of effort and money is involved in fixing the problems and repatriating the troubled worker. These rules are supposed to minimize these by ensuring that only qualified/documented people are leaving the country and that the employers of these workers are responsible for their repatriation. It does not really work that well but without these rules it would be much worse.
Xactly .. and I doubt a few thousand Civil Servants will want to be jobless, if the whole process is simplified and those who insist on committing hari-kiri, let them be... and worry about the forgotten few - i.e. FDW, Cruise ship workers, sailors on tramp ships, and the lowly paid workers etc. etc.sundaymorningstaple wrote:It also serves to enrich the civil servants as well., Must not forget.
Yes and yes .. but with stiffer rulings in Place, The Philippines Govt POEA and all will insist she go back and get a local agent and let the PH Agent do the PH part of the processing etc. etc. and ONLY then can she come here to work.Steve1960 wrote:So is it possible to bring a Filipina into Singapore for a vacation, subsequently decide she would make the perfect maid and then approach an agency here to register her, paying all the necessary fees of course.
proper process, as recommended by PH Embassy, talk to your agent here, if you have been dealing with one, who can refer their counter part in PH .. and let the maid start the proper process from there ..Steve1960 wrote:Oh well thats screwed my plans then but thanks for the information.
So, assuming the prospective maid will be in SG next week what should I do here prior to sending her back to the Philippines to appoint an agent?
If I get her to appoint an agent in Phil before next week would that help?
I am not trying to cut corners or cheat any government it is only that this particular girl is coming to visit for a vacation, knows my wife and daughter very well from Manila, my daughter took to her immediately and gets on with her really well.
So late last week the penny dropped and my wife and I both said 'she might make a good maid'. Having come to that conclusion I was hoping she would not have to go back to Phil.
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