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Frustrated - PR Rejected Thrice

Postby pamila » Wed, 29 May 2013 4:07 pm

Hello Everyone

I am a 29 years old female, Singapore citizen (Tamil), born and raised in Singapore, a scholarship student at NUS and working in an MNC for 6 years and earning around $8k a month.

My husband is from India (Tamil), moved to Singapore straight away after we got married in 2009. He was un-employed for over an year but finally landed a job in an SME and working there since 2011 on Spass, earning only $2.2k a month.

We applied for his PR under my sponsorship exactly 3 months after our marriage and after waiting for 14 months our application was rejected. We went to our local MP and requested him to appeal for us as we are genuinely married and want to settle down in Singapore. After the MP sent letter to ICA the application was Pending again. Waited for another 8 months after which the application was Rejected for the second time. Frustrated we went to the MP again and begged to help us and he was kind enough to write another appeal letter to ICA. We waited another 11 months and application was Rejected today.

What is that supposed to mean?

My husband has no criminal record and is Graduate from a top University in India. What could be the reason for rejection?

Really frustrated and don't know what to do. Can anyone help?

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 29 May 2013 4:24 pm

Feel sorry for you. Considering your salary and the duration of marriage, they shouldnt have any problem giving your husband the PR.

I dont think there is much you can do. The only suggestion I can give is to ask your husband to try and upgrade his skills and get an EP and higher salary and then may be apply again after a couple of years.

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Postby AngMoG » Wed, 29 May 2013 4:29 pm

Basically what Wd40 said. At this point in time, there is not much you can do, just wait until he draws a significantly higher salary, and maybe it would be a good idea for him to upgrade his skills through education.

Meanwhile, the lack of PR should be no obstacle to the both of you settling down in Singapore. Even if he happens to resign or be terminated, he can stay here on LTVP/LTVP+. The only downsides are that he cannot contribute CPF, and that he would need to apply for S-Pass/EP if he is not on LTVP+. But seeing as you are the one who is supporting the family financially, that should not really be an issue.

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Postby pamila » Wed, 29 May 2013 4:48 pm

Every time i come to this forum and read people getting PR after working in Singapore for only a year or so with no ties to Singapore whatsoever, my heart aches and i feel so unprivileged in my own country. We are always tensed as there are so many things he cannot do because of not having a PR.

One of my colleague from China after living in Singapore for only 14 months got the PR approved for himself and his wife who is merely married to him for 6 months and has just moved to Singapore from China.

What is going on in this country? They should have at least given us a reason of rejection. Sigh...

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Re: Heartache

Postby ecureilx » Wed, 29 May 2013 5:31 pm

pamila wrote:Every time i come to this forum and read people getting PR after working in Singapore for only a year or so with no ties to Singapore whatsoever, my heart aches and i feel so unprivileged in my own country. We are always tensed as there are so many things he cannot do because of not having a PR.

One of my colleague from China after living in Singapore for only 14 months got the PR approved for himself and his wife who is merely married to him for 6 months and has just moved to Singapore from China.

What is going on in this country? They should have at least given us a reason of rejection. Sigh...


I been in a similiar situation, but a different context. so the standard reply of the Forum Admin here stands. No two pieces of strings are of same length.

Just because a guy from China got his PR approved doesnt mean another guy from China also will get it approved.

And as Singapore repeated many times, they don not reveal the reasons to avoid people customising their applications.

now, if your husband earns like say 5,000 or more, it MAY have been favourable, again, I am only guessing.

best advice as said before .... wait for a year, and apply again, and pray.

My own experience, as a learned person said, An inefficient Civil Service will lead to injustice - and accordingly, Singapore Civil service are very efficient in their own way. So place your trust in them, and do what they ask you to do.

Good luck

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 29 May 2013 5:35 pm

I know how you feel. I personally know many cases of Singaporeans marrying China girls and the China girls got PR and now citizenship also.

I think in your case since it is reverse that is you are trying to sponsor your husband instead of the more common reverse case, its harder for you and now times are tougher.

Like I said there is nothing much you can do. If worst comes to worst you may have to consider moving to India. I think as a person of Indian origin you can get a PIO card and live like a citizen there, expect that you cannot vote.

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Postby Mano » Wed, 29 May 2013 6:03 pm

I am singaporean and got married in singapore with my hubby who is a foreigner. Based on his qualifications and work done here. we applied for PR after one year till now its pending and no result yet. We went to MP 3 times and no reply.

We went to visit the officer incharge of our case to show our sincere and genuinely married attitude, he said its still pending.. Till today 29 May 2013, no answer. How long to wait. Waiting endlessly.

We have a friend who just got married and his wife is without a job, 6 months or so. She was invited to apply for PR / Singapore passport. Why them and not us? Is it racist?

There is not merit in every application. Either in random choose by colors, or country or what?

Me and hubby always feel stressed and tension on this issue. We are genuinely married, not those who do marriage of convenient. We wanted to do more things here. Like having a kid, try to do business here. Be workpass or EP can only work for one company. how to appear in various company. When get caught, he / she will be deported. Is this fair?

What rights we have being a Singaporean? Cant even give a decent status for our spouse? Feel embarrass and shameful being one here where dont have some basic rights.

We always ask ourselves, why why why? What is the reason. No merit points to work on it. Nothing we can do but only on ICA's mercy. It was becos of some people who abuse the marriage of convenience previously, we genuine people who the ones who is really upset and being like part of it being punished not able to get any PR for people like who are genuine.

There must a reason for rejection. At least should tell us, so we can improve on the conditions on papers, monies to fill up the TICKS and get a status here.

Really feel shameful / ashamed being part as a Singaporean of not able to give a decent status to our spouse.

Can our President Tony Tan help?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 29 May 2013 6:22 pm

The gahmen feels that the wife will always follow the husband. That is why it's so hard for foreign husbands to gain PR here, or even LTVPs for that matter, if married to a local girl. In fact, if you get married here in Singapore, they used to make you sign a letter attesting to the fact that marrying a local Singaporean girl will NOT at any time in the future be cause or curry favour in any future application for Permanent Residence. I know this to be fact as I signed one of them way back in 1983. It took me 11 years to gain PR after that. When I got my PR here I had one local wife, two local kids (one of each gender) in the local school system and three cars and had lived here 11 years on 30 days tourist visas. :o


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Postby bgd » Wed, 29 May 2013 6:24 pm

Mano wrote:Cant even give a decent status for our spouse?


This isn't limited to Singapore. Many countries do not give a spouse automatic rights and in some cases not even residency.

Marriage of convenience is a global problem for wealthier countries and each country has their own approach in dealing with it.

Your application may be delayed for any number of reasons. Do a search of the forums, you may find some pointers that could help, especially where you have improving circumstances.

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Postby enslaved » Wed, 29 May 2013 8:22 pm

One of my friend, who applied for PR on his own merit, got married while the status was pending. Upon update of his marital status, his PR was approved in 2 months.

The key is if the husband is not earning enough, and if he has come to Singapore via social visit pass after marriage, the ICA might view that as a marriage of convenience.

You can ask him to apply for PR via PTS, after he has migrated to EP, and you can support his application via your CPF statements

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 30 May 2013 9:22 am

bgd wrote:
Mano wrote:Cant even give a decent status for our spouse?


This isn't limited to Singapore. Many countries do not give a spouse automatic rights and in some cases not even residency. ...


Recently there was a case of a German couple, both parents doctors, and if I remember correctly, one of the kid was autistic or something.

The parents were given Aussie Residency and the child was denied ..

And the Immigration people in Australia were at a loss at what they did right or wrong .. and refused to apologise or explain their rationale ..

So ???

The world is getting too crowded, says me ..

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Postby angeltan321 » Fri, 31 May 2013 9:11 pm

It is abit tough for a singaporean gal to sponsored pr for their foreign husband. But I saw some sucessful cases for the couple who having a child. I think this is the main key point.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 31 May 2013 11:04 pm

angeltan321 wrote:It is abit tough for a singaporean gal to sponsored pr for their foreign husband. But I saw some sucessful cases for the couple who having a child. I think this is the main key point.


Yep, it sure is. Took me 11 years and two kids. I guess they figured I wasn't going to take the hint. They were right, I've been here over 30 years now. :cool:


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