GAY COUPLE RELOCATION QUESTIONS

JayUK · Post by **JayUK** » Tue, 21 May 2013 10:36 pm

I have an EP approval and will enter Singapore in Sept for a job. My partner does not have a job in Singapore as of yet. We are a same-sex couple. My questions are:

1. If he has no job by the time I leave London, is it best to remain here until he secures a job or is it relatively easy to find work in Singapore upon arrival (Chemical Engineer, Supply Chain Project Manager). I realize that is a fairly difficult question to comment upon.

2. Is the max allowed stay only 30 days on a visitor pass? Or could he get an extended visit pass to allow him to remain for 90 days to allow more time to search for a job? From what I can see, he requires a local to get an extended pass so we would not qualify.

3. He would have no access to LTVP since we are a gay couple, correct?

4. If he must leave every 30 days, how long must he leave Singapore before re-entry and a start of another 30 day visit?

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Wed, 22 May 2013 9:00 am

JayUK wrote:I have an EP approval and will enter Singapore in Sept for a job. My partner does not have a job in Singapore as of yet. We are a same-sex couple.

This has been discussed a few times before, and at some length. you would find it useful doing a forum search (top right) on 'Same Sex', 'gay', 'partner', 'gay marriage', 'civil partnership' - in various combinations until you find them.

Try that and see if you have any joy, and if not I'll have a go myself. If rules have not changed, and IIRC, what you want to find out about is a 'same sex dependent pass' (another good search string there). It has been done before, though it is a quite new route, only opening 4-5 years ago. Also in general terms, homosexuality is discourages via government policy - so prepare for many people, incl SGns to tell you such a route does not exist!

Post by **PNGMK** » Wed, 22 May 2013 11:28 am

Male on male sexual acts are illegal in Singapore although almost never prosecuted, however to give you a pass for such a couple in my view is contra legem and if I knew who you were I would be writing to the appropriate minister to complain if you succeeded, as I am tired of these legal contradictions. The only same sex pass I believe has been issued and discussed on this forum was for a female same sex couple which is not illegal in Singapore.. I could be wrong on the posting tho.

You may know or not know that a recent constitutional challenge against 377A failed in Singapore.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 22 May 2013 11:36 am

failed again, you mean.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Wed, 22 May 2013 11:39 am

PNGMK wrote:Male on male sexual acts are illegal in Singapore although almost never prosecuted, however to give you a pass for such a couple in my view is contra legem and if I knew who you were I would be writing to the appropriate minister to complain if you succeeded, as I am tired of these legal contradictions. The only same sex pass I believe has been issued and discussed on this forum was for a female same sex couple which is not illegal in Singapore.. I could be wrong on the posting tho.

You may know or not know that a recent constitutional challenge against 377A failed in Singapore.

You are - despite how counter-intuitive it's strikes you as.

This is why I suggested the OP searches for the previous discussions, rather than us starting by reinventing the wheel, and confusing matters with misleading information.

p.s Homosexual acts are illegal in SG, but homosexuality is not. Two very different things.

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Wed, 22 May 2013 12:01 pm

PNGMK wrote:...was for a female same sex couple which is not illegal in Singapore...

I would not be surprised if that they do not consider that to be a form of sex at all.

Post by **PNGMK** » Wed, 22 May 2013 12:13 pm

JR8 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:Male on male sexual acts are illegal in Singapore although almost never prosecuted, however to give you a pass for such a couple in my view is contra legem and if I knew who you were I would be writing to the appropriate minister to complain if you succeeded, as I am tired of these legal contradictions. The only same sex pass I believe has been issued and discussed on this forum was for a female same sex couple which is not illegal in Singapore.. I could be wrong on the posting tho.

You may know or not know that a recent constitutional challenge against 377A failed in Singapore.
You are - despite how counter-intuitive it's strikes you as.

This is why I suggested the OP searches for the previous discussions, rather than us starting by reinventing the wheel, and confusing matters with misleading information.

p.s Homosexual acts are illegal in SG, but homosexuality is not. Two very different things.

Yes, but to give a pass for such a couple is implicitly contrary IMO to the act and I would be wanting to ask the appropriate minister to clarify the government's stance... it might be a win for the gheys or it might not. It certainly goes against the 'pro nuclear family' policy of the PAP (which of course of happily killing the TFR).

Post by **PNGMK** » Wed, 22 May 2013 12:14 pm

Sergei82 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:...was for a female same sex couple which is not illegal in Singapore...
I would not be surprised if that they do not consider that to be a form of sex at all.

Well the Victorian era laws that are the foundation of so many of Singapore's laws didn't..... So yes you're right, it's not sex in Singapore.

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Wed, 22 May 2013 12:18 pm

So far I don't even know any successful cases when heterosexual couples were able to bring a partner without a legal marriage. That is not even mentioning homosexual ones just yet...

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Wed, 22 May 2013 12:23 pm

If there is one person in the world, that a company MUST hire, in order to complete a task/job, that will bring large benefits to SG, and that person happens to be in a recognised (home jurisdiction) de facto marriage, hetero, or homosexual, then that is the avenue for their partner to accompany them.

I imagine the thinking is... 'It's likely only for a few years, and they are needed'. It seems to be considered as clinically as that.

Perhaps you could search out and link the aforementioned discussions on this if you wish to continue this side-discussion, that would help all parties to this topic?

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Wed, 22 May 2013 12:58 pm

Sergei82 wrote:So far I don't even know any successful cases when heterosexual couples were able to bring a partner without a legal marriage.

This has also been discussed (many times)... search on de facto marriage.

Post by **PNGMK** » Wed, 22 May 2013 2:43 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:failed again, you mean.

As it will forever.

Post by **x9200** » Wed, 22 May 2013 5:27 pm

Sergei82 wrote:So far I don't even know any successful cases when heterosexual couples were able to bring a partner without a legal marriage. That is not even mentioning homosexual ones just yet...

My then not yet wife and myself are such a case. I know more couples like this.

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Wed, 22 May 2013 5:39 pm

x9200 wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:So far I don't even know any successful cases when heterosexual couples were able to bring a partner without a legal marriage. That is not even mentioning homosexual ones just yet...
My then not yet wife and myself are such a case. I know more couples like this.

What was the visa type?

Post by **x9200** » Wed, 22 May 2013 5:42 pm

Sergei82 wrote:
x9200 wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:So far I don't even know any successful cases when heterosexual couples were able to bring a partner without a legal marriage. That is not even mentioning homosexual ones just yet...
My then not yet wife and myself are such a case. I know more couples like this.
What was the visa type?

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