Thinking of applying for PR

JustSee · Post by **JustSee** » Mon, 06 May 2013 9:00 pm

Hey All,

So I am thinking to apply for a PR and I thought to myself why not ask you what you think of my chances.

My profile is:

Age: 26
Race: Caucasian
Profession: Security Team lead
Highest education: Technical high school diploma (I have industry specific certifications)
Salary: ~150K
Work experience: 8 years
Have been volunteering in SG as well.

I have been here for a year and I am on a P1 that is valid for another year, and I have no thoughts of going back.

Thinking to apply pretty soon (in the next 1-2 months), or in your thoughts maybe I should wait for 6 months?

Much obliged!

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Mon, 06 May 2013 10:27 pm

If you don't mind rejection, go ahead a apply. Otherwise, wait until you have renewed your EP the first time (e.g., two years) then apply. Probably stand a better chance, but even then it might be iffy.

JustSee · Post by **JustSee** » Mon, 06 May 2013 11:18 pm

Don't mind a rejection at all, I'm not set completely on SG. Just don't want to go back to my home country.

If in the opinion of people it's "iffy" then I better apply now as I want to open my own business here and unless I am a PR, I can't do a thing.

beppi · Post by **beppi** » Tue, 07 May 2013 5:01 pm

JustSee wrote:I'm not set completely on SG.

Then you are not suitable for PR in the eyes of the authorities.
If you want to mislead them about this and still try to get PR nevertheless, then go ahead at your own risk!

Sergei82 · Post by **Sergei82** » Tue, 07 May 2013 5:10 pm

Apply for PEP. Once approved, apply for PR.

Wd40 · Post by **Wd40** » Tue, 07 May 2013 5:40 pm

beppi wrote:
JustSee wrote:I'm not set completely on SG.
Then you are not suitable for PR in the eyes of the authorities.
If you want to mislead them about this and still try to get PR nevertheless, then go ahead at your own risk!

What is the risk? There is no way you can lead or mislead on that regard. Its a matter of whether they want you or not.

beppi · Post by **beppi** » Tue, 07 May 2013 5:49 pm

Wd40 wrote:What is the risk? There is no way you can lead or mislead on that regard. Its a matter of whether they want you or not.

PR stands for PERMANENT RESIDENT and they give it only to people who look like they will stay in Singapore PERMANENTLY.
People who think like you or the previous poster are rejected - if MoM can see their thinking!

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Tue, 07 May 2013 6:16 pm

beppi wrote: - if MoM can see their thinking!

Well thank god we're not living in a Minority Report world yet.

OP your profile sounds similar to mine, right down to the industry. I've been here about twice as long though, and am a few years older. Do you work for a small local company, or large foreign MNC? I've always wondered if a person's employer has any influence on PTS scheme PR apps.

For your certs, I'm pretty sure MOM recognizes CISSP and a few of the other ISC2 certs as having some value. If you have a bunch of SANS certs or CEH or something, that's probably not worth much. And then it all depends if ICA shares the same list of credentials they care about as MOM.

Anyway, do come back and let me know if you succeed or not.

Wd40 · Post by **Wd40** » Tue, 07 May 2013 6:37 pm

beppi wrote:
Wd40 wrote:What is the risk? There is no way you can lead or mislead on that regard. Its a matter of whether they want you or not.
PR stands for PERMANENT RESIDENT and they give it only to people who look like they will stay in Singapore PERMANENTLY.
People who think like you or the previous poster are rejected - if MoM can see their thinking!

Oh really? Thanks for enlightening me

You still didnt answer my question, what is the risk? So MoM(according to you, infact its ICA) can read our minds? Assuming they can really read, what is the risk in applying? Or are you saying should you first change your mind and then apply?

JustSee · Post by **JustSee** » Tue, 07 May 2013 10:54 pm

Well wd40, I like it here and I am seriously think of staying here. I have no intention to mislead anyone.

@zzm9980
I work for one of the big companies in Singapore, and I hold 2 ISC2 certs, CISA and a few more vendor specific certs.

I'll be applying as soon as I get the employer forms and see how it goes, nothing wrong with trying

ecureilx · Post by **ecureilx** » Wed, 08 May 2013 10:57 am

beppi wrote:
Wd40 wrote:What is the risk? There is no way you can lead or mislead on that regard. Its a matter of whether they want you or not.
PR stands for PERMANENT RESIDENT and they give it only to people who look like they will stay in Singapore PERMANENTLY.
People who think like you or the previous poster are rejected - if MoM can see their thinking!

well, for an purpose, I don't know if MOM or ICA can mind read .. I know a fair number of people who even swore that their future was firmly anchored in Singapore .. and before even the ink dried in the paper when they got their PR they took off towards their next destination ..

So, pray, enlighten me .. how will MOM/ICA know your 'intent' ??

PS: a friend of mine applied for Visa to US, and when the embassy staff were not quite convinced she had given her awe inspiring speech that she has no plan to life in US, and her life is all and all, in Singapore etc. etc. .. and got her visa.

She did go to SFO and never came back... so there you go

JustSee · Post by **JustSee** » Wed, 08 May 2013 11:38 am

Hah, I know MOM have no mind reading device (or do they?

)

Again my attitude towards this is if I get approved, good for me. If I don't I can always reapply. But after working hard to build myself here for the last year, yea I'll be bit disappointed - you never know unless you try.

Your friend got lucky, When I was applying for a visa to the U.S, I arrived with all my business registration papers, tax receipts and customer invoices (I was a freelance).

I got denied without them even looking at the papers and the guy next to me (who was over 30) and was in the same situation as I am - he also had a brother there, got approved. So I wouldn't read too much into US policies, I was hassled for 3 months and got denied... All I wanted was to go to a conference (I visited the US 6 times in the decade before that).

Anyway that's off topic, still waiting for my company letter, will go to collect it tomorrow or on Monday, hopefully my business trip will get postponed by a few days so I'll have the time to apply.

ecureilx · Post by **ecureilx** » Wed, 08 May 2013 11:48 am

JustSee wrote: I got denied without them even looking at the papers and the guy next to me (who was over 30) and was in the same situation as I am - he also had a brother there, got approved. So I wouldn't read too much into US policies, I was hassled for 3 months and got denied... All I wanted was to go to a conference (I visited the US 6 times in the decade before that).

And for some, when you state you have relations the the Officer goes "your stay in United States may not be temporary .. "

Tough one to mention or not ..

JustSee wrote: Anyway that's off topic, still waiting for my company letter, will go to collect it tomorrow or on Monday, hopefully my business trip will get postponed by a few days so I'll have the time to apply.

Did you get your appointment for submission ??

Wd40 · Post by **Wd40** » Wed, 08 May 2013 12:16 pm

The fact of the matter is sometimes even you dont know what exactly you want. Today you(or your bloody mind) may like Singapore. Who is to say that tomorrow you will not hate it and want to get out of it and vice versa could also true.

How do you know where you and and your mind are on the same page? The human mind is a very complex thing. Its easier to go to the moon than to read the human mind.

JustSee · Post by **JustSee** » Wed, 08 May 2013 1:03 pm

Wd40 wrote:The fact of the matter is sometimes even you dont know what exactly you want. Today you(or your bloody mind) may like Singapore. Who is to say that tomorrow you will not hate it and want to get out of it and vice versa could also true.

How do you know where you and and your mind are on the same page? The human mind is a very complex thing. Its easier to go to the moon than to read the human mind.

Well, we won't be going into philosophical discussions, but I can see myself staying here.

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