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NS problems Help! (Advice & suggestions needed!)

Post by buffalopanzee » Fri, 26 Apr 2013 2:34 am

Hi all,

My niece is born in Hong Kong, but went to Singapore when he was 3. His parents became Singapore citizens, and he naturally followed and become a Sg citizen. He studied there till after O' Levels, and the whole family moved back to Hong Kong.

He was most likely more than 16 years old by that time. But afterwards, he spend the next 8 years having education in the U.S. and also renounced his Sg citizenship when he was 21.

But now he most probably needs to go to Sg for business purposes. What will be the consequences, or what will happen?

Thanks for all suggestions and advice! :)

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Re: NS problems Help! (Advice & suggestions needed!)

Post by AngMoG » Fri, 26 Apr 2013 9:56 am

Seems like it is your nephew, not your niece. Based on other stories I have read with similar situations, I think his chances of getting an employment visa are practically 0.

The trickier question is whether he can enter Singapore at all without being held for being a deserter - I think the more experienced members can probably answer that one.

What is his nationality now? US citizen?[/b]

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Post by Saint » Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:20 am

Seeing as he successfully renounced his SG Citizenship aged 21 I can't see there being a problem. The Government would have allowed him to renounce his Citizenship unless he no longer had any NS liability.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:59 pm

tis true. Not enough data to make a better guess, but would need to know if he had an exit permit to go to HK for studies. and had timely notified MINDEF of his intentions to renounce. After renunciation was submitted, did he get notification that it had been accepted. Does he still hold his NRIC and Passport? (These should have been returned to the Singapore Embassy/Consulate in HK).
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by JR8 » Fri, 26 Apr 2013 6:56 pm

Saint wrote:The Government would have allowed him...
Just for the sake of clarity, I believe Saint meant to write 'The Government would not have allowed him... ', and in his reply SundayMorningStaple read it that way too.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 26 Apr 2013 7:00 pm

also 'tis true. :wink:
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Post by buffalopanzee » Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:55 am

Well, theres an update I've heard. So my nephew had received several letters from Singapore saying that his citizenship has been renounced and he is no longer a Singapore citizen.

However, another letter sent to him also indicates that although he renounced his citizenship, he is still a NS defaulter and urged him to contact the NS.

So, according to the above discussion, he has successfully renounced his citizenship, but still is considered a NS defaulter, is this possible?

Also, I want to ask that have anybody tried changing their names and entering Singapore with their passports (with the new name)? Does it work and is it safe?

Thx!!

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Post by PNGMK » Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:52 pm

buffalopanzee wrote:Well, theres an update I've heard. So my nephew had received several letters from Singapore saying that his citizenship has been renounced and he is no longer a Singapore citizen.

However, another letter sent to him also indicates that although he renounced his citizenship, he is still a NS defaulter and urged him to contact the NS.

So, according to the above discussion, he has successfully renounced his citizenship, but still is considered a NS defaulter, is this possible?

Also, I want to ask that have anybody tried changing their names and entering Singapore with their passports (with the new name)? Does it work and is it safe?

Thx!!
Yes you can change your name and enter under a new passport but to attempt to hide this fact is a crime and most likely it will be detected via fingerprints and facial recognition technologies. Are you a complete idiot or just 99% idiot?

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Post by beppi » Wed, 24 Jul 2013 3:27 pm

Defaulting on NS is a very serious criminal offense in Singapore.
Of course criminal offenses do not disappear even if one changes citizenship.
If he never cleared it up with the authorities (as the letter suggested), I am afraid he can never again set foot onto Singapore without being thrown into jail.

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Post by PNGMK » Wed, 24 Jul 2013 3:31 pm

beppi wrote:Defaulting on NS is a very serious criminal offense in Singapore.
Of course criminal offenses do not disappear even if one changes citizenship.
If he never cleared it up with the authorities (as the letter suggested), I am afraid he can never again set foot onto Singapore without being thrown into jail.
Another son of Singapore whose parents have phucked up their life. There's must be hundreds of these poor bastards around the world.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 24 Jul 2013 4:10 pm

There is a litany of them scattered on this Strictly Speaking forum over the years.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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