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LTVP into workpermit advantage or disadvantage?

Postby nisharose » Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:49 pm

Hi friends....

My PR application got rejected.First i tell about our side.
My husband is a SPR.he is a self employe(director of a company).his monthly salary is 3.5k month.we are indians.
currently i am in LTVP.I am a bachelor degree holder.I have applied for PR on Sep 2012 along with my 2yr old baby(she s also in ltvp).but when i applied for my LTVP renewal on March 2013 they issued renewal and rejected our PR and ask me to continue in the same pass.
They didnt mention any reason.any one guess the reason?
My husband has income tax papers.but he doesnt have CPF from his own company(though he is a self employe he doesnt contribute his own cpf)but he s getting CPF from 2 more companies because he is doing consultant job for those companies...so he s getting CPF around $300 per month from each company...was it may be a issue for ica?


Now my question is when can i reapply?how can we update ourself...from this year income tax my husband's salary 5k per month.Actualy are they want me to work?
another thing i got a job in seagate like part time but i have to change my LTVP into work permit.i think the basic salary is around 1000 per month(bcoz it s like a parttime that mena 3 days work 2days leave in a week next week 2 days work 3 days leave like that).if i change LTVP into workpermit is it a advantage or disadvantage?because my salary would be only 1000.Please help me friends....can i go for work permit or remain in LTVp..
please help.
Thanks in advance friends.

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Postby beppi » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:49 am

You cannot get a WP, S-Pass or EP for part-time work - only for fulltime employment.
Singapore citizens and PRs are allowed to do part-time work. If you cannot get PR, you may try to get an LTVP+, which allows work (but I don't know if part-time is possible).

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 6:58 am

beppi wrote:You cannot get a WP, S-Pass or EP for part-time work - only for fulltime employment.
Singapore citizens and PRs are allowed to do part-time work. If you cannot get PR, you may try to get an LTVP+, which allows work (but I don't know if part-time is possible).


LTVP+ is only available to Spouse of SC. Spouse of PR, cannot.

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Re: LTVP into workpermit advantage or disadvantage?

Postby taxico » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:23 pm

nisharose wrote:...My PR application got rejected.First i tell about our side.

My husband is a SPR...

My husband has income tax papers.but he doesnt have CPF from his own company(though he is a self employe he doesnt contribute his own cpf)but he s getting CPF from 2 more companies because he is doing consultant job for those companies...so he s getting CPF around $300 per month from each company...was it may be a issue for ica?

...Now my question is when can i reapply?

if i change LTVP into workpermit is it a advantage or disadvantage?


they don't (ever?) give reasons for rejection, so that is normal. did ICA write anything about applying in 6 months, 12 months, etc?

i think the situation about your husband not contributing CPF is a little odd, but not under ICA's purview - probably an IRAS/CPF Board matter.

i'm not an expert in this so read what you will about what i have to say:

i'm guessing adding to the total income of the family is good, BUT 1k a month is still below the taxable bracket (20k), so i'm not sure what real "benefit" such an income will do.

others may chime in to say that indians are finding it a little more than tough when getting PR approvals, so you might want to poke around a little in this sub-forum.

why not find a full time job on a non-work permit visa when you child starts pre-school? this way you can contribute "more" to your total household income.

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Postby Wd40 » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 9:02 am

Nisha,

The key element is your husband's employment/occupation. I think being self employed is a negative compared to working for someone else, considering the low income he is making. A self employed person has to make way higher income(something in the range of entre pass requirements) and employ some Singaporeans and be in some niche area etc or else they wont consider him as an asset, they basically consider him as abusing his PR status to open a low level company and compete with the locals.

Also being Indian doesnt help, it didnt matter in the past when your husband was given PR, but if he tried now, he also will get rejected. It has also been seen in the past that dependents of PR are finding it even more harder to get their PR approved than the whole family applying together.

I dont think there is anything you can do from your side, since you are applying under family scheme. Its your husband who needs to upgrade himself.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:53 am

Wd40 wrote:Nisha,

The key element is your husband's employment/occupation. I think being self employed is a negative compared to working for someone else, considering the low income he is making. A self employed person has to make way higher income(something in the range of entre pass requirements) and employ some Singaporeans and be in some niche area etc or else they wont consider him as an asset, they basically consider him as abusing his PR status to open a low level company and compete with the locals.


I'm curious where you came up with this anecdotal evidence. I'm not saying it doesn't play a part but this is the first I've heard that a self employed PR had to earn 12K/mo before they would be allowed to sponsor a spouse or had to employ Singaporeans. They could be a self employed Real Estate agency not tied to any company. So some further info would be appreciated by all here I reckon.

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Postby Wd40 » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 1:13 pm

I use the following logic:
Her husband would have got his PR in the good old days when the criteria for getting PR was quite relaxed. At the time of applying PR, he must have been employed somewhere on S,Q or P pass. After getting PR, he must have quit his job and got self employed. So basically he has used his PR to get self employed and most probably he wouldnt have qualified for an Entre Pass for his self employment.

Now we know that when people sponsor their dependents for PR, they look at the current criteria rather than the criteria of the past when he got his original PR.

This person was given PR for his contribution as an employee, that too when the criteria was lax. Now this person is no longer "filling the gap as a foreigner" but rather competing with locals in most probably a small time mom and pop shop/trade. So I dont see how he is currently fit as a "desirable PR" in the gahmen's eye.

If he had a larger company, employing locals etc, basically a "desirable entrepreneur" then he might have had a higher chance to sponsor.

Thats just my speculation and I could be wrong.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 1:32 pm

So then, the litmus test would probably be the next REP renewal. Based on your premise unless he is earning 12K/mo he's unlikely to gain a new REP? A SC only need to be earning around 3K to sponsor their LTVP spouse for PR. Both types are capable of having little infantrymen for the Singapore War Machine further down the road. Interesting.

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Postby Wd40 » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 1:59 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:So then, the litmus test would probably be the next REP renewal. Based on your premise unless he is earning 12K/mo he's unlikely to gain a new REP? A SC only need to be earning around 3K to sponsor their LTVP spouse for PR. Both types are capable of having little infantrymen for the Singapore War Machine further down the road. Interesting.


I think REP renewal criteria is not as stringent as sponsoring of dependents. I mean once they give PR to somebody, the rep will be renewed as long as the person is gainfully employed for the last 3 years and hasnt scooted off to another country. But I have noticed that approval of dependents they are extremely choosy, especially dependents of PRs and dependents of Indian PRs in particular

Dependents of Singaporeans though, is different case. Especially after the current unhappiness shown by citizens, I believe they are making it easier for dependents of citizens to get LTSVP, PR or citizenship and the introduction of LTSVP+ is the proof of that.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 13 Apr 2013 3:41 pm

Actually the LTVP+ was to go some way to rectifying the inequality between the fact that a spouse of an EP holder could work without a work visa but the foreign spouse of a Citizen couldn't. They still need to come to terms that it is still not equitable as the foreign spouse of a PR is still left in the lurch and could lose their job if the EP holder should happen to obtain PR. That was started not so much as to make it easier but to shut the mouths of the whinging whining locals who married PRC brides who cannot work on LTVPs.

Sorting out the inequality there buys them another tranche of votes in the next GE.


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