Oh yes farHannieroo wrote:Plus she took my milk.Better?
But how do you differentiate between the two? For example there used to be a culture of young unmarried working class girls intentionally getting pregnant. In many ways that was like winning the lottery. All she had to do was go to the council, say her parents had chucked her out on the street, and the council were obliged to provide her accommodation and cash benefits, for as long as she needed it, even if that meant for life. Pop out two or three sprogs and your lifestyle is going to far better than anything you could get via going and getting a job. Not exactly incentivising socially beneficial behaviour is it? For the offspring, the cycle repeats, so this embedded underclass living 'free', is for obvious reasons referred to as 'the poverty trap'. And yet you seem to be suggesting that it should be fed even more?Hannieroo wrote:That particular lady, no fault of her own. Not at all. No stupid finances, nothing. I am sure there are many in that position due to stupidity but also many are not and it seems unfair to penalise the genuinely in need.
I see it the reverse way. Rewarding the lazy and feckless, makes it a viable nay attractive lifestyle choice. Hence it creates and perpetuates the vulnerable.hannieroo wrote:You judge a nation by how it treats it's vulnerable. If that means the lazy and the feckless get a share then better that than those in need going without.
Perish the thought, never crossed my mind!;hannieroo wrote:Are you saying that you find my views hypocritical? Fair enough. It'd be a boring place if everyone agreed.
No one is 'being penalised'? With benefits, all are being benefited, it's just relative.Hannieroo wrote:I am sure it did not.![]()
I'm not confident quoting on here yet so bear with me.
1) You can't really differentiate without going the way of penalising children and demanding that the state controls people's reproductive choices.
Bristol? Well, we see it differently; you see a problem seeking a solution, I see a solution perpetuating, 'ghettoising', the problem.Hannieroo wrote:I'd rather benefits than that. Where I come from in the UK had the largest council estate and highest teen birth rate in Europe. You look around and you see they really do see no other options. But lack of apprenticeships, lack of opportunities and a lack of good, affordable childcare means they're probably right. If not actually right thinking. To force people further into poverty will further disenfranchise their children and it continues.
The Three Monkeys?Hannieroo wrote:2)I assume you mean Singapore? My husband's field of work is usually found in countries far less supportive than this. I am here because his job covers Dubai to Australia and reports to the States. We did try doing it with him working from home starting at 5am to catch over here and ending at 10pm when Houston could have been reasonably assumed finished with two trips a month to the region. We never saw him and he was knackered. I am not 100% comfortable with everything I see and hear in this country but that is the same for the other countries I have lived in, including my own. Sometimes pragmatism wins over social conscience. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite. I just really like my husband.
'Play the ball and not the man' is the ethos of most moderated adult fora, including this one. I've been on the internet since well before the web existed, and in fact when you had to write e-mails in ASCII line-code, something like:Hannieroo wrote:I have been on the internet for a long time, I have a hide. Obviously each board has it's own etiquette but attack the post not the poster has always been a standard and that's always how I read and attempt to respond. It always makes me laugh on my usual (non expat) board how people are going hammer and tongs in the news section but are then quite happily chatting about their spring planting plans in home & garden.
Cheers Bunter.BillyB wrote:Here's a good article that expels many of the myths regarding MT's premiership. I forgot to post this the other week.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/je ... r-exploded
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