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PR for an infant

Postby Makan_explorer » Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:30 pm

Dear experts and others in the know,

I am a Singapore PR and my son was just born 6 weeks ago. He holds a dual citizenship of Thai and European. My wife and I just got married a couple of weeks ago. The question is: Can I apply for PR for my son, without applying for PR for his mum, and if so what are the chances of success. He is currently residing outside Singapore. Has anyone had experience from a similar situation?

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 8:01 am

Almost certainly not. For one, he's not a resident of Singapore. There is no way to paint this case as anything other than you're trying to get him PR for his own benefit and not for the purpose of residing permanently in Singapore (the whole point of being a PR).

Your best chance is to bring him and his mother to Singapore, and obtain LTVP for them. After they've been here a while apply for PR for both.

Be very aware you're committing your son to mandatory NS.

Although political moods can change, in the current climate if your son doesn't serve it by legally and properly withdrawing, he will likely have a very difficult time ever obtaining a long term visa of any sort in Singapore on his own. If he doesn't serve and and doesn't legally withdraw, he will be subject to arrest if he ever arrives in Changi. Which, given the proximity of one of his dual nationalities, will be very hard to avoid.

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Re: PR for an infant

Postby offshoreoildude » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 9:05 am

Makan_explorer wrote:Dear experts and others in the know,

I am a Singapore PR and my son was just born 6 weeks ago. He holds a dual citizenship of Thai and European. My wife and I just got married a couple of weeks ago. The question is: Can I apply for PR for my son, without applying for PR for his mum, and if so what are the chances of success. He is currently residing outside Singapore. Has anyone had experience from a similar situation?


Your best bet might be to return to Singapore, try to take up SC for yourself and then apply for PR for your son. As the other poster says he will have to do NS.
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Re: PR for an infant

Postby Makan_explorer » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 1:33 pm

offshoreoildude wrote:
Makan_explorer wrote:Dear experts and others in the know,

I am a Singapore PR and my son was just born 6 weeks ago. He holds a dual citizenship of Thai and European. My wife and I just got married a couple of weeks ago. The question is: Can I apply for PR for my son, without applying for PR for his mum, and if so what are the chances of success. He is currently residing outside Singapore. Has anyone had experience from a similar situation?


Your best bet might be to return to Singapore, try to take up SC for yourself and then apply for PR for your son. As the other poster says he will have to do NS.


Thanks for your input, but citizenship is not in the plans at the moment, but it might be in the future. Yes, I would make sure that he don't escape NS. Its a great character builder, and it should be embraced and not shunned.

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Postby Makan_explorer » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 1:49 pm

zzm9980 wrote:Almost certainly not. For one, he's not a resident of Singapore. There is no way to paint this case as anything other than you're trying to get him PR for his own benefit and not for the purpose of residing permanently in Singapore (the whole point of being a PR).


I apreciate that you take time to reply my question, but your assumptions are dead wrong. You know absolutely NOTHING and ZERO about my family's future intentions. Where do you come up with things like "not for the purpose of residing permanently in Singapore"? I have lived 15 years in Singapore and for your information our intention is to continue to live in Singapore permanently. Period.

Am I only trying to get him a PR for his own benefit? Yes, of course. Why would any foreigner take up a PR if there are no benefits? The PR scheme has benefits and disadvantages for both the PR and Singapore, but in the end its supposed to be a win-win for both parties. The win-win scale may tip differently today compared with 10 years ago, but Singapore has not yet cancelled its PR program.

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Postby offshoreoildude » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 1:52 pm

Makan_explorer wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Almost certainly not. For one, he's not a resident of Singapore. There is no way to paint this case as anything other than you're trying to get him PR for his own benefit and not for the purpose of residing permanently in Singapore (the whole point of being a PR).


I apreciate that you take time to reply my question, but your assumptions are dead wrong. You know absolutely NOTHING and ZERO about my family's future intentions. Where do you come up with things like "not for the purpose of residing permanently in Singapore"? I have lived 15 years in Singapore and for your information our intention is to continue to live in Singapore permanently. Period.

Am I only trying to get him a PR for his own benefit? Yes, of course. Why would any foreigner take up a PR if there are no benefits? The PR scheme has benefits and disadvantages for both the PR and Singapore, but in the end its supposed to be a win-win for both parties. The win-win scale may tip differently today compared with 10 years ago, but Singapore has not yet cancelled its PR program.


Calm down buddy. We get a lot of stupid questions here. However the point made is that PR is for people residing in Singapore, not for people using it as some sort of back up.
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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 2:03 pm

Makan_explorer wrote:I apreciate that you take time to reply my question, but your assumptions are dead wrong. You know absolutely NOTHING and ZERO about my family's future intentions. Where do you come up with things like "not for the purpose of residing permanently in Singapore"? I have lived 15 years in Singapore and for your information our intention is to continue to live in Singapore permanently. Period.


They're not my assumptions, they're the assumptions ICA will have. They want to give PRs to people residing here. I could really care less what you plan to do or how you plan to abuse the system.

edit: Never mind, I won't pick a bigger fight by pointing out the elephant at least half the others will be thinking anyway.

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Postby LongTimeHere » Mon, 08 Apr 2013 4:43 pm

:Makan_explorer

You need to bring him in as a visitor and apply long term visa first for your wife and baby. PR process takes quite a few months nowadays. Then apply for PR with peace of mind that at least you have kept your family together.

Can you apply without your wife? technically yes but unless you are lucky the immigration officer will be curious why. Also if they give your son PR and later deny your wife what will you do? anything can happen nowadays so please be careful.

Once you apply for 'PR' you can also get insurance for your little one sorted out. Nowadays due to high number of PR rejections some insurance companies are using the very fact that you applied PR to give better coverage. I have done the same for my little one.

All the best.
btw I'm in not related to any insurance :-) just an helpful tip.


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