Your post actually brought up a 3rd topicbeppi wrote:The topics of current salary and ancient/odd English in this thread should be separated! This is about the latter:
A Singapore ethnic Indian lawyer once told me "Call at my office tomorrow 4pm!"
When I called him the next day, he was surprized and said he expected me to visit.
I answered "If you want me to come to your office, why didn't you say so?"
We were both baffled.
So low class.Wd40 wrote: There is such a huge variance b/w the local Indians and the mainland Indians
Yah agree. Like sitting down at Clarke Quay one night. Next to a table of obvious tourist high-end end Indians, Blah-yell-blah yell. It was terrible
Situation: you've just successfully past a shit load of rounds of interview, and they suddenly casually tell you: ok, now you have to submit your last three payslips so we can make an offer to you.zzm9980 wrote:Tell them no? Or don't let it get that far, using one of the arguments above.Sergei82 wrote:And when they demand your payslips, you say your dog ate them?nutnut wrote:If someone asks my salary, I lie, I tell them more and then they can base their offer on that
Simple.
I have been asked on previous jobs in the US, and I have obliged with fake numbers. In all of those cases, no proof was ever asked. I only know of two circumstances where anything of the like was asked for:
1) Many US companies do background checks, and current payslips were considered an acceptable (amongst other options) form of paperwork to provide. Background check was run by a third party company, and there was assurance in their paperwork it would not be handed over to the hiring company.
2) As part of a compensation/sign on agreement, hiring company offered the cash equivalent of a buyout of all unvested shares in previous company. As this sum was well into the six-digits (USD), they asked for a brokerage statement. (This wasn't me)
company A asking for payslips from an employee working in company B is just downright wrong and ethically unacceptable.Sergei82 wrote:Situation: you've just successfully past a shit load of rounds of interview, and they suddenly casually tell you: ok, now you have to submit your last three payslips so we can make an offer to you.zzm9980 wrote:Tell them no? Or don't let it get that far, using one of the arguments above.Sergei82 wrote: And when they demand your payslips, you say your dog ate them?
I have been asked on previous jobs in the US, and I have obliged with fake numbers. In all of those cases, no proof was ever asked. I only know of two circumstances where anything of the like was asked for:
1) Many US companies do background checks, and current payslips were considered an acceptable (amongst other options) form of paperwork to provide. Background check was run by a third party company, and there was assurance in their paperwork it would not be handed over to the hiring company.
2) As part of a compensation/sign on agreement, hiring company offered the cash equivalent of a buyout of all unvested shares in previous company. As this sum was well into the six-digits (USD), they asked for a brokerage statement. (This wasn't me)
WTF???? That is a spit in my face! How come they cannot offer me without payslips? How come spending months for interviews? Are they gonna filter me out now? Will I or them regret the time spent? Who is holding whose balls???
What should be the first action in the situation above?
You've already covered this because you told them you're previous(or current) employer made you sign an NDA in regards to your compensation.Sergei82 wrote: What should be the first action in the situation above?
Most employers in Singapore(Even large MNCs) do that. The company I am currently interviewing with(again a super large Singaporean MNC) asked me for latest payslip, photocopies of my marksheets, experience letters, marriage cert, child's birth cert and oh yes a photograh. All this before the 1st round of interview.zzm9980 wrote:You've already covered this because you told them you're previous(or current) employer made you sign an NDA in regards to your compensation.Sergei82 wrote: What should be the first action in the situation above?
Tell us, is this hypothetical or did it just happen to you? I'm guessing the latter. Can you tell us who the employer is so none of us waste our time there? Just like those companies in the US that demand your Facebook/social media passwords, I'd lie or refuse to provide them and then not work there. Also, at least in the US you have protections under the law from this.
Yes, you're right, and I cringe every time. And if 'Please" in its place is polite, "Do" is just rude and presumptuous, not to mention antiquated.the lynx wrote:LOL at the pinky bit.Brah wrote:Well, only that "please" is normal for the rest of the world and peer-to-peer, whereas "do" smacks of talking down, and holding a teacup with pinky extended.
But in Singapore, you will see that a lot in emails...
I think there's one worse, and more ubiquitous - "please revert".zzm9980 wrote:You know what else I hate in Singaporean office emails?
"GENTLE REMINDER"
First, if it's "gentle", don't use all caps. Second, wtf is a "gentle" reminder? Do you assume I'm a moron or something?
That's a great idea, but would anyone go for that, and do any companies do this? I can't see why they would. Plus if the new company wanted to ask the old company the old company could say there is no NDA. But it if works, I like your thinking.zzm9980 wrote:You've already covered this because you told them you're previous(or current) employer made you sign an NDA in regards to your compensationSergei82 wrote: What should be the first action in the situation above?
Brah wrote:That's a great idea, but would anyone go for that, and do any companies do this? I can't see why they would. Plus if the new company wanted to ask the old company the old company could say there is no NDA. But it if works, I like your thinking.zzm9980 wrote:You've already covered this because you told them you're previous(or current) employer made you sign an NDA in regards to your compensationSergei82 wrote: What should be the first action in the situation above?
And you're right - workers have no rights here.
If you wish to use Latin, do it correctly or end up with the risk of looking a little fool-hardy, that is my 2C.Wd40 wrote:I think there is no NDA per say
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