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Postby dogdragon » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 4:38 pm

Hi All,

Good day! I am planning to apply for my PR and try my luck this time around. Below are my details.

Nationality : Indian
Age - 24
Duration - Worked 4 years in SG
Education - Bachelors degree in Info tech ( Recognized by MOM)
Designation - IT Systems Engineer
Annual $- 45K
No of Tax assessment - 3


I know my salary is less compared to others but after living here for these many years and having a 3 Tax assessment I am planning to try my luck. I have already applied once is 2011 June and got a rejection letter on July stating "After careful consideration, We regret to inform you that your application has not been successful" . Please note I dint get any other extra words like please apply after 6 months or you may continue working here in EP pass. As a Indian , I know its a slim chance to get PR especially at this crucial times with a profile like mine but want to hear some advise from the moderators.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 5:19 pm

Good luck! Unless your salary was typo'd and you actually make double that, you have no chance.

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 7:02 pm

Given his age, I would say he is earning well. I am almost 10 years elder than him and make double of his salary but does that make me a better candidate :-k

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 7:09 pm

Wd40 wrote:Given his age, I would say he is earning well.

But will ICA?

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Postby lolipop99 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 7:32 pm

This is the advantage of being Indian, the high school education system in India is only for 10 years instead of 12 years compared to other countries, and degree take average 3 years or less than that if the student can finish early, most of the time only 2 years. Masters will take average 1 year. So an average Indian starts primary school at 6 years olds, at 16 he enters college and at 19 graduates with a degree and then starts to work, at the same time he can get a Master degree part time so at 21 he already has 2 years experience and a Master degree. At 24, an average Indian will already have 5 years experience plus a Masters degree. I have known of Indian IT guy starting to work at 19 in Bank and at 24 already a manager earning about 80K in Singapore. At 24 a Singaporean will just have finished the degree and start as fresh graduate only. So being Indian is a very high advantage, I think countries should switch to 10 years basic schooling like India instead of 12 years!

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 8:15 pm

lolipop99 wrote:This is the advantage of being Indian, the high school education system in India is only for 10 years instead of 12 years compared to other countries, and degree take average 3 years or less than that if the student can finish early, most of the time only 2 years. Masters will take average 1 year. So an average Indian starts primary school at 6 years olds, at 16 he enters college and at 19 graduates with a degree and then starts to work, at the same time he can get a Master degree part time so at 21 he already has 2 years experience and a Master degree. At 24, an average Indian will already have 5 years experience plus a Masters degree. I have known of Indian IT guy starting to work at 19 in Bank and at 24 already a manager earning about 80K in Singapore. At 24 a Singaporean will just have finished the degree and start as fresh graduate only. So being Indian is a very high advantage, I think countries should switch to 10 years basic schooling like India instead of 12 years!


The only problem with that is the fact that the whole world knows that with the exception of 2 universities in the entire country (IIT being one of them) the Indian Masters degree isn't recognized outside of Indian as a masters but only as a completion of a basic degree. Singapore doesn't recognize it for sure and neither does the US. That is why the running joke on this site about asking if "you have masters" when Indian ask the stupidest questions that a high school junior would know the answer to if from the west or even from Singapore.

But just to add on. There are some brilliant Indians out there. With 1.2 billion to choose from, it's pretty obvious there would have to be some cream.

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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:02 pm

lolipop99 wrote:This is the advantage of being Indian, the high school education system in India is only for 10 years instead of 12 years compared to other countries, and degree take average 3 years or less than that if the student can finish early, most of the time only 2 years. Masters will take average 1 year. So an average Indian starts primary school at 6 years olds, at 16 he enters college and at 19 graduates with a degree and then starts to work, at the same time he can get a Master degree part time so at 21 he already has 2 years experience and a Master degree. At 24, an average Indian will already have 5 years experience plus a Masters degree. I have known of Indian IT guy starting to work at 19 in Bank and at 24 already a manager earning about 80K in Singapore. At 24 a Singaporean will just have finished the degree and start as fresh graduate only. So being Indian is a very high advantage, I think countries should switch to 10 years basic schooling like India instead of 12 years!



lol are you even serious? our degrees are pretty useless
Like SMS said barring IIT's and IISc and a few others here and there on a worldwide scale our education system is in shambles. You can even buy a degree from a tout if you wanted to.
The only notable schooling system worthy of note is ICSE which is equal to a GCSE.
To get there early is on time and showing up on time is late

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:24 pm

Although I agree with SMS and Raj that degrees in India are substandard, but then there is only so much that a top class degree can do for you. Ultimately, what you do after getting the degree is what matters.

To me the 4 years of my Bachelors of Engineering in Electronics and Communication was a waste of time. Doesnt matter where I did it. Ultimately I am working in IT.

The reason IIT grads get top jobs is because IIT is top brand among the other run of mill degrees. To get into IIT you are already top notch. The education itself that you get in IIT has no bearing on what you become or your job prospects.

I find good logic in what Lolypop99 has written:
a)The lesser time you spend in education the better, you surely dont need to be studying until 24.
b)It is an advantage of being an Indian and getting through the easy education system and the plenty of jobs that we have.
c)Once you get the cheap and affordable education and few years of experience you are ready to explore the world.

Truely its an advantage to be an Indian ;)
I mean would you rather be born in a developed country going through their top class education, but burdened with student loans and then entering the job market with 10% plus unemployment?
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Postby vishalgupta2 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:26 pm

lolipop99 wrote:This is the advantage of being Indian, the high school education system in India is only for 10 years instead of 12 years compared to other countries, and degree take average 3 years or less than that if the student can finish early, most of the time only 2 years. Masters will take average 1 year. So an average Indian starts primary school at 6 years olds, at 16 he enters college and at 19 graduates with a degree and then starts to work, at the same time he can get a Master degree part time so at 21 he already has 2 years experience and a Master degree. At 24, an average Indian will already have 5 years experience plus a Masters degree. I have known of Indian IT guy starting to work at 19 in Bank and at 24 already a manager earning about 80K in Singapore. At 24 a Singaporean will just have finished the degree and start as fresh graduate only. So being Indian is a very high advantage, I think countries should switch to 10 years basic schooling like India instead of 12 years!


Hold ON, wait a minute... where did you get this 10 years high school, 19 years masters etc. This is all crap. I was born in India and none of this is true, you come out of masters in India at about 23-24.

I know the education system in India is totally broken but please don't spread incorrect info as people may pick this up and it can go on anti immigrant forums where everyone will happily believe it.

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:36 pm

vishalgupta2 wrote:
lolipop99 wrote:This is the advantage of being Indian, the high school education system in India is only for 10 years instead of 12 years compared to other countries, and degree take average 3 years or less than that if the student can finish early, most of the time only 2 years. Masters will take average 1 year. So an average Indian starts primary school at 6 years olds, at 16 he enters college and at 19 graduates with a degree and then starts to work, at the same time he can get a Master degree part time so at 21 he already has 2 years experience and a Master degree. At 24, an average Indian will already have 5 years experience plus a Masters degree. I have known of Indian IT guy starting to work at 19 in Bank and at 24 already a manager earning about 80K in Singapore. At 24 a Singaporean will just have finished the degree and start as fresh graduate only. So being Indian is a very high advantage, I think countries should switch to 10 years basic schooling like India instead of 12 years!


Hold ON, wait a minute... where did you get this 10 years high school, 19 years masters etc. This is all crap. I was born in India and none of this is true, you come out of masters in India at about 23-24.

I know the education system in India is totally broken but please don't spread incorrect info as people may pick this up and it can go on anti immigrant forums where everyone will happily believe it.


He is talking about doing masters part time. In India you can do the 15yrs education or the 16 years(like US) to get the bachelors degree. If you do the 15 years then at the age of 20 you will finish your bachelors and ready to work ;)

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:40 pm

Wd40 wrote:
vishalgupta2 wrote:
lolipop99 wrote:This is the advantage of being Indian, the high school education system in India is only for 10 years instead of 12 years compared to other countries, and degree take average 3 years or less than that if the student can finish early, most of the time only 2 years. Masters will take average 1 year. So an average Indian starts primary school at 6 years olds, at 16 he enters college and at 19 graduates with a degree and then starts to work, at the same time he can get a Master degree part time so at 21 he already has 2 years experience and a Master degree. At 24, an average Indian will already have 5 years experience plus a Masters degree. I have known of Indian IT guy starting to work at 19 in Bank and at 24 already a manager earning about 80K in Singapore. At 24 a Singaporean will just have finished the degree and start as fresh graduate only. So being Indian is a very high advantage, I think countries should switch to 10 years basic schooling like India instead of 12 years!


Hold ON, wait a minute... where did you get this 10 years high school, 19 years masters etc. This is all crap. I was born in India and none of this is true, you come out of masters in India at about 23-24.

I know the education system in India is totally broken but please don't spread incorrect info as people may pick this up and it can go on anti immigrant forums where everyone will happily believe it.


He is talking about doing masters part time. In India you can do the 15yrs education or the 16 years(like US) to get the bachelors degree. If you do the 15 years then at the age of 20 you will finish your bachelors and ready to work ;)


How is that different from anywhere? You can do a part time masters in USA also.

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:44 pm

vishalgupta2 wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
vishalgupta2 wrote:
lolipop99 wrote:This is the advantage of being Indian, the high school education system in India is only for 10 years instead of 12 years compared to other countries, and degree take average 3 years or less than that if the student can finish early, most of the time only 2 years. Masters will take average 1 year. So an average Indian starts primary school at 6 years olds, at 16 he enters college and at 19 graduates with a degree and then starts to work, at the same time he can get a Master degree part time so at 21 he already has 2 years experience and a Master degree. At 24, an average Indian will already have 5 years experience plus a Masters degree. I have known of Indian IT guy starting to work at 19 in Bank and at 24 already a manager earning about 80K in Singapore. At 24 a Singaporean will just have finished the degree and start as fresh graduate only. So being Indian is a very high advantage, I think countries should switch to 10 years basic schooling like India instead of 12 years!


Hold ON, wait a minute... where did you get this 10 years high school, 19 years masters etc. This is all crap. I was born in India and none of this is true, you come out of masters in India at about 23-24.

I know the education system in India is totally broken but please don't spread incorrect info as people may pick this up and it can go on anti immigrant forums where everyone will happily believe it.


He is talking about doing masters part time. In India you can do the 15yrs education or the 16 years(like US) to get the bachelors degree. If you do the 15 years then at the age of 20 you will finish your bachelors and ready to work ;)


How is that different from anywhere? You can do a part time masters in USA also.


He is comparing India with Singapore and not US. You must read more about the Singapore education system, as far as I know, your fate is decided very early in you educational life(PSLE) about whether you can even pursue a degree or not. If you dont do well in PSLE then you cant go through the normal route of getting a degree, you need to do a lot of other stuff and waste time and then there is NS!

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Postby vishalgupta2 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:50 pm

gotcha

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Postby Greenry82 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:09 pm

I assume OP's salary is around $3700 a month - and is considered low....

If this salary is low then why ICA allow S pass holder to apply for PR even earning $2000? :roll:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:14 am

Broodmare? :cool:


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