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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 20 Mar 2013 8:02 pm

LongTimeHere wrote:@ ABCDEF

For heavens sake stop reapplying every 6 months and get the message from the Govt. You make the rest of your countrymen look so pathetic.

You are so young and India has so much opportunity, if you do the maths at SGD 50K salary you simply wont save enough in the long run. Singapore gets very expensive for foreigners once you have kids and the Govt is making it difficult by the day. property prices have sky rocketed beyond the reach of the average person.

When I left India almost 20years ago Singapore salaries were 10x of India. Its simply not the case now. My nephews in India are already earning about SGD 35-40K in India with similar qualifications as you stated. They haven't taken offers of SGD 80K in Singapore because after deducting costs there simply no savings to be had.

Please do your maths before you go begging for PR, remember you commit any future sons to NS without any assurance that you will be given Citizenship.


Finally I found a fellow Indian on this forum with the same school of thought as mine :D

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Postby Steve1960 » Thu, 21 Mar 2013 3:20 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Unless your wife is Singaporean Chinese with a degree and making over 5K/mo in her own right. Then maybe in a year or two.


My wife is Filipina and makes nothing she stays home and takes care of our daughter. It ain't gonna help!!

OK I was hoping to put 18 months in, pay the first tax bill and try my luck!

I will wait and (hopefully) renew the EP next year then try :-(

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Postby Sergei82 » Thu, 21 Mar 2013 3:37 pm

But what's the point with SGD $50K pa?
If you succeed, you'll automatically get only SGD $40K pa - all else will go to CPF.
And if you're not permanent, you'll get less than SGD $35 K pa on hands only.
How will you feed your wife and daughter? Put them on diet?

Do I make sense here, somebody please tell me???
That is the reason I do not want PR for now. And I have much higher salary, PEP and 3.5 years of stay in Singapore.

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Postby Steve1960 » Thu, 21 Mar 2013 3:40 pm

Yes I see your point and there are several people working with me that have expressed that very same view.

I am a fair way north of 50k so its different for me.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 21 Mar 2013 6:22 pm

If 1960 is your birth year there could be another factor working against you. IIRC SMS mentioned 50y to be the limit.

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Postby lolipop99 » Thu, 21 Mar 2013 9:20 pm

The OP should ask himself with that kind of salary and fillipina wife not working what value can he add to Singapore so that they can grant him permanent residency here? It does not make sense at all to an ICA officer to approve this case

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Postby Steve1960 » Fri, 22 Mar 2013 3:47 pm

x9200 wrote:If 1960 is your birth year there could be another factor working against you. IIRC SMS mentioned 50y to be the limit.


Yes correct I have that going against me also. I hope to draft a letter with some compelling reasons why I can contribute to Singapore when I eventually make an application and see what happens

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Postby Steve1960 » Fri, 22 Mar 2013 3:50 pm

lolipop99 wrote:The OP should ask himself with that kind of salary and fillipina wife not working what value can he add to Singapore so that they can grant him permanent residency here? It does not make sense at all to an ICA officer to approve this case


Agreed I need to show compelling reasons as I recognised in my last post. I believe I do have something to offer so its a little early to write me off yet!

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Postby Mi Amigo » Fri, 22 Mar 2013 5:42 pm

Steve1960 wrote:
x9200 wrote:If 1960 is your birth year there could be another factor working against you. IIRC SMS mentioned 50y to be the limit.


Yes correct I have that going against me also. I hope to draft a letter with some compelling reasons why I can contribute to Singapore when I eventually make an application and see what happens

Hey! 1960 was a vintage year! :wink:

I was into my 50s when I applied for, and subsequently received, PR for myself and my family. So whilst age is always a factor, I wouldn't let it stop you trying. IMO, a carefully prepared covering letter may help - hard to say for sure, but I took the view that it couldn't do any harm as long as it didn't turn into War And Peace and focussed on the key points.

FWIW, we also got letters of recommendation from (Singaporean) friends, which included character references and highlighted the contributions that my wife and I had made to Singapore. Again, I have no idea what effect (if any) those letters had, but perhaps they helped our case a little.

Good luck Steve; we should form a club - children born with the 60s (man), or something like that. :D
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 22 Mar 2013 5:55 pm

For the most part, my comment was primarily geared to Asian expats. While I wasn't 50, I was pushing pretty hard against it when I got mine as well, but I have to admit, it was using family ties and not the PTS scheme.

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Postby Steve1960 » Mon, 25 Mar 2013 3:03 pm

Thanks guys and I agree a carefully prepared covering letter and references can only help. When the time comes I will keep you all posted on progress.

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Postby ABCDEF » Mon, 01 Apr 2013 10:57 am

proxymoron wrote:@ABCDEF

What exactly did the rejection letter say?... did said anything like "apply after XXX months" ?

and my 2cents
- May you should try getting a techie job for your wife as well, and wait for a years tax return before applying

Also you sound a bit too desperate for a guy who have an EP valid until Oct 2015... is PR a backup plan (so that you can move elsewhere) ?



The rejection letter just stated that after careful consideration the PR application has been rejected. It didnt mention when to apply. So in that case do they mean no PR at all...

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Postby ABCDEF » Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:04 am

LongTimeHere wrote:@ ABCDEF

For heavens sake stop reapplying every 6 months and get the message from the Govt. You make the rest of your countrymen look so pathetic.

You are so young and India has so much opportunity, if you do the maths at SGD 50K salary you simply wont save enough in the long run. Singapore gets very expensive for foreigners once you have kids and the Govt is making it difficult by the day. property prices have sky rocketed beyond the reach of the average person.

When I left India almost 20years ago Singapore salaries were 10x of India. Its simply not the case now. My nephews in India are already earning about SGD 35-40K in India with similar qualifications as you stated. They haven't taken offers of SGD 80K in Singapore because after deducting costs there simply no savings to be had.

Please do your maths before you go begging for PR, remember you commit any future sons to NS without any assurance that you will be given Citizenship.



Thanks for your brief writeup. what u say is really true.. its my great mistake i reapplied after every 6 months. So what msg is the Govt conveying me and my family ...NO PR at all ...its so pathetic just cos of a university dropout ! !

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:16 am

ABCDEF wrote: ...NO PR at all ...its so pathetic just cos of a university dropout ! !


No, sadly it is because of your race.

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Postby offshoreoildude » Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:50 pm

Wd40 wrote:
LongTimeHere wrote:@ ABCDEF

For heavens sake stop reapplying every 6 months and get the message from the Govt. You make the rest of your countrymen look so pathetic.

You are so young and India has so much opportunity, if you do the maths at SGD 50K salary you simply wont save enough in the long run. Singapore gets very expensive for foreigners once you have kids and the Govt is making it difficult by the day. property prices have sky rocketed beyond the reach of the average person.

When I left India almost 20years ago Singapore salaries were 10x of India. Its simply not the case now. My nephews in India are already earning about SGD 35-40K in India with similar qualifications as you stated. They haven't taken offers of SGD 80K in Singapore because after deducting costs there simply no savings to be had.

Please do your maths before you go begging for PR, remember you commit any future sons to NS without any assurance that you will be given Citizenship.


Finally I found a fellow Indian on this forum with the same school of thought as mine :D


+1 - this advise would also apply to a few others countries as well.

IF your country is growing and the COL is still low - stay there and focus on building your career / business.
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