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Postby JR8 » Thu, 14 Mar 2013 5:16 pm

QRM wrote:LOL you have a Cartier and a cherished copy of the wall wallpaper, bet you thought all the boys liked you down the pub because you were funny!

Re the Rolex true about the knobs who buy them, which is why the first thing I do is change the straps to Natos, leather ( stinks in the tropics) or rubber to disguise the fact they are a Rolex.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6503 ... 7ebe_z.jpg


So what's the point of a Rolex if you have to disguise it? I thought their whole point was about a nouveau riche proclamation of wealth.

Or do we see the nouvelle arraviste , so arrived and hence modest that they can put a $10 strap on their $5k watch; status via intentional understatement.

The village's millionaire who still drives his mothers Morris Minor...

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Postby QRM » Thu, 14 Mar 2013 6:19 pm

JR8 wrote:
QRM wrote:LOL you have a Cartier and a cherished copy of the wall wallpaper, bet you thought all the boys liked you down the pub because you were funny!

Re the Rolex true about the knobs who buy them, which is why the first thing I do is change the straps to Natos, leather ( stinks in the tropics) or rubber to disguise the fact they are a Rolex.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6503 ... 7ebe_z.jpg


So what's the point of a Rolex if you have to disguise it? I thought their whole point was about a nouveau riche proclamation of wealth.

Or do we see the nouvelle arraviste , so arrived and hence modest that they can put a $10 strap on their $5k watch; status via intentional understatement.

The village's millionaire who still drives his mothers Morris Minor...


LOL the main reason if you collect watches, Rolexs are very easy to sell or swap, they always seem to be in demand and generally all go up in value.

Though I have to admit the latest batch are so ugly and looks like they have been designed by a collaborated effort between Imelda Marcos and Saddam Hussain.

I had Blancpain, Breguet, Bulagaris etc and it next to impossible to sell or swap them. Walk into any petrol station and say I have no dosh but you can have my Blancpain you will end up walking home, try it with a Rolex and you should be OK. Though having said that it would work with a Cartier and you will even be able to pull the petrol attendant. :D

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 14 Mar 2013 6:35 pm

QRM wrote:LOL the main reason if you collect watches, Rolexs are very easy to sell or swap, they always seem to be in demand and generally all go up in value.

Though I have to admit the latest batch are so ugly and looks like they have been designed by a collaborated effort between Imelda Marcos and Saddam Hussain.

I had Blancpain, Breguet, Bulagaris etc and it next to impossible to sell or swap them. Walk into any petrol station and say I have no dosh but you can have my Blancpain you will end up walking home, try it with a Rolex and you should be OK. Though having said that it would work with a Cartier and you will even be able to pull the petrol attendant. :D


Blancpain... I gave them a pretty close squint some years ago. But as I suggested I regard watches as a utility (albeit hopefully an aesthetically pleasing one*), rather than something to collect. I find it challenging to imagine owning a watch that I would then 'not be allowed' to wear every day (like a 'dress watch').

'Oh sexy service-station boy. Look hor, got Cartier right, so come 'n fill up my tank o'reddy yah?'


* I've long considered Cartiers to be rather like Claudia Schiffer. A naked wanton blonde, with too much mascara on (the numerals are relatively 'over-bold')... just gagging for it [growl!]. But maybe that's just me :)

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Postby taxico » Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:52 am

these days, rolex is considered a cheap brand by the wealthy...

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 15 Mar 2013 1:28 am

taxico wrote:these days, rolex is considered a cheap brand by the wealthy...


(Please don't take this personally, but) Who cares?

On a day-to-day basis I don't need to 'communicate>Expensive' to total strangers. I gave up that game when I left the trading floor.

My own ego is bigger and more resolved than that. I know what I am, and how I made it. It matters not one fig that others know this*. In fact in a reverse, at times, I have to make up what I do for a living (over complicate it, like ... I'm not a 'landlord' (passive), but I'm a 'property developer' (the suggestion is that that is more 'active' and 'manual labour' and hence acceptable)).

Fact is I 'retired at 40'. But you can't tell people this as a) they're looking to bond, and this will do the opposite, and b) well, most people will just hate you for achieving what 'they dream of'. .... lol... tis a funny old world....!



* Beyond, and most ironically, having to lay it rather bare, in order to make points such as these!

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Postby taxico » Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:14 pm

the observation that a rolex is a cheap watch today was not an attempt to skew you any way you aren't. don't read too much into it.

my daily wearer is a submariner. what other people think of it, i don't really care. all i know is it's dependable and low key: there are a ton of other cheaper (ie, $50) watches that look just like it out there.

these days there are plenty more watches that "displays wealth" to others and rolex (even if we include vintage rolex and ghastly gems encrusted models), in all honesty, isn't high on that totem pole.

the rolex you were acquainted with was probably synonymous to the GREED IS GOOD era of the excessive 80s. the world of horology has moved on to multi-million dollar wrist watches and other non-cocaine involved (maybe) trends since then. in terms of pricing, rolex hasn't really kept up to a pace dictated by other brands.

there are cheaper AND more expensive watches that can ostentatiously display wealth at a glance - people just don't pay attention to most rolex and patek watches these days.

i like that my watch only tells the time, doesn't resemble a rolex, suits all occasions, is comfortable, that i never feel like i need to take it off (even in the shower, undeveloped countries and hostile areas) and is easily replaceable and serviceable almost any where on earth.

but you're right. who cares? (besides rolex's marketing department)

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:18 pm

taxico wrote:the observation that a rolex is a cheap watch today was not an attempt to skew you any way you aren't. don't read too much into it. [edit]


Interesting post, and points well made (and hilarious pic!).

I immediately got 'that click' on the Omega Seamaster you posted earlier... well, I'll keep it in mind. Right now I'm seemingly having to indirectly fund the wife's Imelda-scale Kate Spade and Coach bag collection.... which doesn't leave much over for lil ol me.... :? :lol:

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Postby zzm9980 » Sun, 24 Mar 2013 1:44 pm

JR8 wrote:
I immediately got 'that click' on the Omega Seamaster you posted earlier...


I'm itching for an Omega Planet Ocean myself... Basically, the newest Bond watch, but without the cheesy Bond branding on it (You can google or search Amazon for "omega skyfall" to see the watch). I'm probably not allowed in this thread though, I have a Tag :p

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Postby taxico » Sun, 24 Mar 2013 2:40 pm

zzm9980 wrote:...I'm itching for an Omega Planet Ocean myself... Basically, the newest Bond watch, but without the cheesy Bond branding on it (You can google or search Amazon for "omega skyfall" to see the watch)....


the 42mm version is too thick for me but otherwise very nicely designed and well priced... selling well it seems.

it's more well proportioned at 45mm but too big for my wrist. have you tried it out yet? opinions?

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 25 Mar 2013 4:58 am

zzm9980 wrote:
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I immediately got 'that click' on the Omega Seamaster you posted earlier...


I'm itching for an Omega Planet Ocean myself... Basically, the newest Bond watch, but without the cheesy Bond branding on it (You can google or search Amazon for "omega skyfall" to see the watch). I'm probably not allowed in this thread though, I have a Tag :p


Thoughts:
Great looking watch
The 007 branding is super-naff though (wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole if it had a 007 logo on it).
Disappointed with Omega for touting such a 'Disneyfied' product.

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 25 Mar 2013 8:23 am

JR8 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
JR8 wrote:
I immediately got 'that click' on the Omega Seamaster you posted earlier...


I'm itching for an Omega Planet Ocean myself... Basically, the newest Bond watch, but without the cheesy Bond branding on it (You can google or search Amazon for "omega skyfall" to see the watch). I'm probably not allowed in this thread though, I have a Tag :p


Thoughts:
Great looking watch
The 007 branding is super-naff though (wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole if it had a 007 logo on it).
Disappointed with Omega for touting such a 'Disneyfied' product.



Well, the marketing makes sense. You get the 007 fanboys with more money than sense who are buying it for the 007 branding. Then you get everyone else buying the version that's exact same thing without the 007 branding.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 25 Mar 2013 6:03 pm

zzm9980 wrote:Well, the marketing makes sense. You get the 007 fanboys with more money than sense who are buying it for the 007 branding. Then you get everyone else buying the version that's exact same thing without the 007 branding.


OIC.... I hadn't realised it also came in a version without that logo on it. (All the images that came up via Google/Image had, and emphasised that logo).

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 25 Mar 2013 6:37 pm

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zzm9980 wrote:Well, the marketing makes sense. You get the 007 fanboys with more money than sense who are buying it for the 007 branding. Then you get everyone else buying the version that's exact same thing without the 007 branding.


OIC.... I hadn't realised it also came in a version without that logo on it. (All the images that came up via Google/Image had, and emphasised that logo).


There are 34(!) different variations of the current Omega Seamaster 'Planet Ocean' watch:
http://www.omegawatches.com/gents/seama ... 0422101001

I believe this is the Skyfall version without Bond markup:
http://www.omegawatches.com/fileadmin/i ... 001-20.png

Hard to tell because so many of those watches vary only in very tiny details. You'd want to check in person.

There's also a 45.5mm(again, !) version if you want extra bling...

http://www.omegawatches.com/gents/seama ... 0462101001


Oh, and this is what I have. I shouldn't talk, mine is 42mm. Not too small:
http://en.argusdesmontres.com/images/20 ... 870918.jpg

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 26 Mar 2013 6:07 am

Link 1, the winder seemed really exposed/protruding. But in image #2 it seems more in balance. It is a good looking watch, though the face details are relatively heavy.

Wouldn't want it bigger, I am tall, hence don't have gorilla-width fore-arms.

TAG-Heuer. No thanks!
(They, to me, are another example of a historic trade-mark and pedigree, that dies a natural death. Then 100 years later the trade-mark gets bought for $5, and we get 'Apollo-Heuer, since 1620', or what-ever spray-on heritage on dog-ugly watches.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 26 Mar 2013 8:31 am

JR8 wrote:TAG-Heuer. No thanks!
(They, to me, are another example of a historic trade-mark and pedigree, that dies a natural death. Then 100 years later the trade-mark gets bought for $5, and we get 'Apollo-Heuer, since 1620', or what-ever spray-on heritage on dog-ugly watches.


Yeah Yeah, I know. I bought it because I thought it looked nice before I realize how snobby the watch community is. Not that I was trying to get into the community, but just wanted a nice watch. Of course now that I follow the community a bit, I've learned about a lot of other nice looking watches I could have bought for a bit less that I've never heard of because they don't have the marketing budgets to put Leo DeCaprio on billboards all over airports in Asia :P


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