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Postby alexsss » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:50 pm

Hi I am a dual citizen singaporean and malaysian. okay now i am 21 years old and i have not serve ns yet due to deferment. i want to renounce my citizenship or it will automatically cancelled by the government in august 2013. however my call up for NS is during June or July. By June i will summit the renunciation form and do i still need to go in NS ? thank you and what is the outcome do you guys think. will it affect my application to apply ep or continue my business, i have a registered business. thank you

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:19 am

I believe mis-typed there, and meant 'won't' rather than 'will'.

But he's the expert, so perhaps he can clarify?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 6:45 am

alexsss

Two questions.

1. You are Malaysian. What is your Race.

2. You were on a deferment. What type of deferment did you receive and for how long? For educational purposes or due to your ethnicity?

with those two, maybe we have a bit more to go on.

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Postby alexsss » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:49 am

I am chinese. just finish my poly deferment last month. so i write in to cmpb and they are still pending and nvr reply me. the question i ask them is, i renounce my sg citizenship by june, on the other hand ns will call me in around june too. if they decide to call me to ns, i am only serving for 1-2 month and i will be out of it due to the dual citizenship law singapore will cancel my citizenship.

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Postby taxico » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 4:31 pm

alexsss wrote:...ns will call me in around june too. if they decide to call me to ns, i am only serving for 1-2 month and i will be out of it due to the dual citizenship law singapore will cancel my citizenship.


ha! this won't happen - once you're in, you're in until they let you out.

i honestly doubt there is such a thing as serving for 1-2 months and then being released...

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 6:07 pm

Nope, you will be called up and you will not be allowed to renounce until you have completed your NS period, regardless of your age. My son was on a 5 year deferment and will be getting out of the Navy in two months, about 4 months before his 24th birthday.

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Postby alexsss » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 8:34 pm

so you mean that i gave up citizenship on June then i will go in NS ? in the law stated that anyone above 21 must chose their nationality or else sg government will cancel it, so i choose to be malaysian and then give up citizenship on June, and after that i will go to serve NS 2 years then send back to malaysia?

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 8:47 pm

[..]you will not be allowed to renounce until you have completed your NS period[..]

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 9:02 pm

alexsss wrote:so you mean that i gave up citizenship on June then i will go in NS ? in the law stated that anyone above 21 must chose their nationality or else sg government will cancel it, so i choose to be malaysian and then give up citizenship on June, and after that i will go to serve NS 2 years then send back to malaysia?


HOW did you renounce? What proof do you have from ICA to indicate that you are no longer a Singapore citizen? Unless you can produce evidence of renouncement, you are still a citizen. Sending them your passport and NRIC doesn't mean you are not a citizen. So, unless you have proof, you will be called up. If you don't go, you will be a deserter. If you are a deserter, when you step into Singapore you will be arrested and thrown into jail for a period of 2 to 7 years and the upon release you will still have to do your NS. After which, you will be allowed to renounce.

Capisce?

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Postby alexsss » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 9:13 pm

under the dual citizenship law anyone must renounce their citizenship or singapore government will automatically revoke their citizenship at age of 22.
DUAL CITIZENSHIP: Child born abroad of Singaporean parents, who acquires the citizenship of the country of birth, may maintain dual citizenship until the age of 21 years. Then the person has 12 months to take the Oath of Allegiance and Loyalty and renounce the foreign citizenship, or their Singaporean citizenship will be revoked.
ICA sent me a letter to either take oath of loyalty or renounce, if i did not do anything then i will lost my citizenship according to the letter. so my main point is when i go in NS for 2 month, am i going to lost my citizenship? i will not take oath and i am no longer singaporean when i reach 22 at august 2013. do i still need to finish the national service as a malaysian?

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Postby Mi Amigo » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 9:58 pm

alexsss wrote:under the dual citizenship law anyone must renounce their citizenship or singapore government will automatically revoke their citizenship at age of 22.
DUAL CITIZENSHIP: Child born abroad of Singaporean parents, who acquires the citizenship of the country of birth, may maintain dual citizenship until the age of 21 years. Then the person has 12 months to take the Oath of Allegiance and Loyalty and renounce the foreign citizenship, or their Singaporean citizenship will be revoked.
ICA sent me a letter to either take oath of loyalty or renounce, if i did not do anything then i will lost my citizenship according to the letter. so my main point is when i go in NS for 2 month, am i going to lost my citizenship? i will not take oath and i am no longer singaporean when i reach 22 at august 2013. do i still need to finish the national service as a malaysian?

My friend, I believe that unless you have the use of a time machine, you will have to serve NS. As I understand it, NS liability is established at the age of 11. So if you didn't renounce your Singapore citizenship before reaching that age, you will not be allowed to renounce until after you have completed your military service. I'm sure SMS, MS, Taxico or another learned poster will correct me if I'm wrong on that point, but that is what I have seen documented in many places.
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Postby alexsss » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:04 pm

i only get singapore citizenship when i am 16 years old fyi . before that i was in malaysia. thanks for your opinion

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Postby Mi Amigo » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:27 pm

alexsss wrote:i only get singapore citizenship when i am 16 years old fyi . before that i was in malaysia. thanks for your opinion

Hmmm. Well, dribbling bits of information out piecemeal isn't going to make it easy for people to give you the right advice. I'll sit back and let one of the better qualified posters advise whether your NS obligations are any different to the information already posted above.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:25 am

alexsss wrote:i only get singapore citizenship when i am 16 years old fyi . before that i was in malaysia. thanks for your opinion


Your attitude is not going to win you many friend or get you too much help here. You came here looking for answers. Just because you are not getting the answers that you want to hear, is not a reason to cop an attitude. You have a lot of growing up to do, that much is obvious.

I'll just leave you with a little advice. I want you to remember four words when you are sitting behind bars for desertion. "I told you so".

Anyway, here is one link to just give you an example of how long it can last:

http://takchek.wordpress.com/2008/08/25 ... -ns-first/

http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/422850

https://www.connexion.sg/c/document_lib ... LFE-41.pdf

Ignore our warning and be crucified at some point in the future.

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Postby alexsss » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 8:23 am

okay. but i just talk straight to the point. i know and agreed there is no way i can go if i choose to renounce as you guys said.. however i am look at the point of 22years old i must choose a citizenship or governement will cancel it as stated in the law. if it is by law and i lose my citizenship even during NS what will happen to me ? another point is i will go in NS if they call me in. however during my NS time i lose my citizenship and i am a foreigner serving NS


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