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Post by spychristos » Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:44 pm

Yesterday I rent an apartment in singapore, the advertisement, the owner, but also the contract writes that the washing machine is also a dryer, but it is not.
I want I dryer I pay so much money, and also I want to be secure that when I give the apartment back the will not ask me for a dryer? what can I do? the contract says that in case something breaks in the first moth they are obligated to fix it in 7 days, I will ask them to replace it. do you believe that Singaporean law covers me? In any case I will contact with a lawyer.
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Post by JR8 » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 5:56 am

Ok. So your landlord ‘promised’ a washer/dryer, and all you have is a washer.

- Most people do not use dryers in Singapore, IME. Singaporeans tend to wash clothes, and then peg them on laundry poles, indoors or outdoors, and then only when bone dry put them in wardrobes. Any dampness at all, and clothes will fester/rot in wardrobes [heck, they seem to do that anyway!]. So a clothes dryer is by no means a panacea at all, you’d be doing contrary to what the locals do, so consider carefully if that is worthwhile (‘When in Rome’ etc].

- The landlord might have had a washer/dryer previously, and might have later replaced it with just a washer, and inadvertently forgotten to change his boiler-plate tenancy agreement. What I’m implying, is as a starting point assume it it is an accidental oversight, rather than an attempt to deceive.

- I believe that there should also have been some onus on you whilst viewing the flat, to look at the appliances, and figure out what they are. You know: ‘Let the buyer beware’, but lets leave that for now...

- ‘You pay so much money’ = irrelevant.

- The landlord demanding a dryer back when you leave is a more valid concern. The inventory should carry the brand and model number for this purpose, so there is nil risk of confusion. i.e. Not a 'washer and separate drye'r. But a 'Bosch W1234 washing machine and Bosch D1234 clothes dryer'.

Forget lawyers, they will only stoke a huge fight that will P off your landlord for ever (and he will get his own back on you, trust me). Just approach him and say something like: ‘Hi Mr. Landlord, when we rented the flat it was advertised as having a washing machine and clothes dryer. But it doesn’t have the dryer. This is a real shame, as this is something that appealed to us and would be very useful, want to make us stay for a long time.

I’m sure you didn’t realise that the advert/inventory was wrong (perhaps you used to have a dryer). But we were wondering whether you would be able to provide us with a dryer, and it would be something very useful to us, and it would make our stay more comfortable.

Look forward to hearing from you, many thanks.

XYX '
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Got it? Respectful, presume an innocent mistake, nice and easy and friendly does it, suggest a simple resolution that you infer will likely work to his advantage too...


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Post by x9200 » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 7:28 am

Lets start from the basic thing: do you have the drier mentioned in the tenancy agreement, and if 'yes', is it in the inventory list or somewhere else?

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Post by taxico » Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:48 am

spychristos wrote:Yesterday I rent an apartment in singapore, the advertisement, the owner, but also the contract writes that the washing machine is also a dryer, but it is not...
are you sure it's not a condenser style dryer cum washer? they don't require extra piping/ducting.

they don't dry your clothes 100% (probably to about 90%) but it's a dryer all right.

if you've googled and you're sure, ignore what i've said.

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Post by the lynx » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 9:39 am

Or maybe the landlord thinks that having the tumble drying feature in the washer constitutes it as 'dryer' as well?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 5:44 pm

SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by JR8 » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 6:00 pm

Eenteresting! I'd never heard of a top-loader washer + dryer, and I'm a landlord that deals with appliances etc.

So, yes, I expect there is scope for tenants, at first sight, to find a machine like that a little confusing.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 6:17 pm

The Thomson has been around for many years. I almost bought one when I bought my flat (13 years ago) as it would only take up about 30% of the floor space as a side by side pair of front loading Whirlpools (which I've been using for many years). But the cost put me off.
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Post by spychristos » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:27 pm

Thanks everyone for your time.

In the contract, it is clearly written that the washing machine is also dryer, the user manual of washing machine says clearly that it is just a washing machine no dryer neither fridge, no doubt for none of both this.

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Post by x9200 » Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:39 pm

In this case just ask LL why there is no dryer. I would agree with the earlier poster that starting with the lawyers and other heavy artillery approach is seldom good. Save it for later if you will not get what you were promised after you exhaust the more courteous means.

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Post by JR8 » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:27 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:The Thomson has been around for many years. I almost bought one when I bought my flat (13 years ago) as it would only take up about 30% of the floor space as a side by side pair of front loading Whirlpools (which I've been using for many years). But the cost put me off.
SMS,
The solution for this in England and I expect more widely (we have it to here on the continent), is to have front- loaders, and stack them vertically.

Seperates are way more efficient, cheaper, less prone to breaking down, and stacking them takes up no mor floorspace.

Just a thought.



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In that case, you need to get your inventory amended by the landlord pronto.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:43 am

The first 15 years I lived in Seletar Camp, I did have stacked Whirlpools. Been through two sets. In fact, when I first moved into my current flat I brought them with me but found it too imposing in the kitchen and I don't have a laundry room like a lot of the newer flats/condos, so I unstacked them. That actually worked out better in the long run as by building cabinets over them, it gave me additional working area which was at a premium in an HDB flat anyway. :cool:
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Post by JR8 » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:51 am

I was amazed by the gas powered Maytag clothes dryers you see in the US.

Furnace dry in 15 minutes. Dang hot!

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 6:51 am

Gas dryers are bloody dangerous! Because most people do NOT clean out their lint filters often enough or even worse, clean out the vent hoses (you would be surprised at the lint buildup in those 6 inch accordian hoses especially near the dryer end. Many cases of dryer fires. I reckon now they have built in temp cutout switches that are a lot more sensitive than 20 or 30 years ago though. :?
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Post by QRM » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 8:22 am

I am amazed no one uses the hot discharge from the aircon units to double up as a dryer, if all the hot air from the aircon out door unit was ducted through a "drying cupboard" then that will save a shed load in cost? You can even stand in it after a shower no need for towels!

There are also ducted and condenser type dryers. I personally prefer the ducted version, simpler and less prone to breakdowns.

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