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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 21 Feb 2013 3:23 pm

Probably putting their nationality instead of their race. See the following for double-barreled races (hyphenated names) like Chinese-German (German as a race?) They don't seem to be able to understand that race and nationality are different unless they are in Singapore.

http://www.ica.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=12443

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 21 Feb 2013 5:29 pm

Oh yes, I think I've seen this before. It truly is weird. This fixation with 'race' is rather German [/ironic].

Actually the whole eugenics thing is pretty distasteful to me. Too close to home (my parents generation).

You know in occupied Scandinavia they had brothel/hostels in WW2. Where German officers would go and knock up 'suitable' blonde girls. It was more than that though (naturally) it was a eugenics programme. All to provide perfect children for the Master-Race.

[No, not joking. p.s. the red-head singer in Abba, Frida Lyngstad, was such a child]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 71017.html
'The chosen ones: The war children born to Nazi fathers in a sinister eugenics scheme speak out'

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Postby Wd40 » Thu, 21 Feb 2013 8:13 pm

The most ironic thing about Indians is in India, we consider only 2 major races(for academic purposes, nothing else)
-Aryan
-Dravidian

Aryans are the North Indians, who are tall and fair.
Dravidians are the South Indians who are darker.

Aryans are believed to have migrated from central Europe and Dravidians not sure where.

Pakistanis are very similar to North Indians.
Srilankans are very similar to South Indians.

More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_peoples

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Postby Mi Amigo » Thu, 21 Feb 2013 8:50 pm

Next time I have a form to fill in with a section for race, I'm going to write in "Double-Barrelled". :cool:
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Postby JR8 » Fri, 22 Feb 2013 4:08 am

Mi Amigo wrote:Next time I have a form to fill in with a section for race, I'm going to write in "Double-Barrelled". :cool:


Yah, and I write triple-barrel hah.

My moustache is bigger than yours ;))

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Postby Wd40 » Fri, 22 Feb 2013 6:24 pm

I would be very interested in knowing how ICA determines races of different nationals.

One thing is very clear. They have clear distinction for chinese from Indonesia and Malaysia. Maybe chinese from other countries too? I read about a Myanmar Chinese applying PR.

So they seem to have perfected the way of identifying chinese.

How about the other 2 races? Are only Malaysian natives considered as Malays? Similarly are Indian natives only considered Indians?

Some interested questions.
What about a 2nd generation Indian immigrant from the UK applies?
What about a pakistani applying?
What about a person who is originally from the region of pakistan but his great great grandfather immigrated to UK, when Pakistan didnt exist. So is he an Indian or Pakistani?

I think the guys in ICA will faint if they start analysing all this. Lol.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 22 Feb 2013 7:42 pm

They have a great big brush coated with tar for that.

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Postby tjspence » Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:28 pm

I'm pretty sure that SG subscribes to the notion of "racial Malays." Meaning the people from the zone indicated on the map posted earlier in this thread count as Malay. (Pro-tip: racialized societies tend to change or redefine racial definintions when there's a poltical/sociological advantge...that's the very nature of race labels...)

"Malay" Malaysian nationals fall closer to the idea of "ethnic" Malay, while racial Malays are all manner of Austronesian/Pacific Islander. None is hard and fast or really all that meanigful....

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 25 Feb 2013 8:54 am

So I read some of the press releases, speeches, and executive summary from the WP on their alternative white paper.

Lots of good points, lots of invalid and silly analogies, and a few 'WTF?' points, just like the original.

The funniest to me is that on one hand, they suggest increasing TFR by lowering work related stress. Long hours and giving fathers more paternity leave.

Then, to address foreign workers, they suggest increasing labor participation by women and seniors. Seems contradictory to each other, no?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 25 Feb 2013 1:58 pm

For anybody who actually wants to read the Population White Paper:

http://population.sg/whitepaper/resourc ... orrection/

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 25 Feb 2013 8:51 pm

Thanks for posting that, it makes interesting reading.

Some statistics really surprised me.

- 50% of SGns who marry, marry foreigners. That seems extra-ordinary.
- 2/3rds of SGns will hold PMET jobs by 2030.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 26 Feb 2013 6:27 am

JR8 wrote:- 50% of SGns who marry, marry foreigners. That seems extra-ordinary..


A female Singaporean friend once told us she doesn't like local men because they're vain and are wimps or all bark, no bite.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:20 am

nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:- 50% of SGns who marry, marry foreigners. That seems extra-ordinary..


A female Singaporean friend once told us she doesn't like local men because they're vain and are wimps or all bark, no bite.


I'm not SGn, but I would likely not marry a local female for similar (but gender-adjusted) stereotypes. I think Brah used the term first, but "wasp chewer" comes to mind.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 4:37 pm

Article on this posted:

http://thediplomat.com/asean-beat/2013/ ... os-malays/

This excerpt made me think differently about this:

[quote]Article 152 of the Constitution of Singapore states that the government “shall recognize the special position of the Malays, who are the indigenous people of Singapore, and accordingly it shall be the responsibility of the Government to protect, safeguard, support, foster and promote their political, educational, religious, economic, social and cultural interests and the Malay language.â€Â

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Postby morenangpinay » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 5:41 pm

simply put. the definition of race among Filipinos is different from the definition of race of Singapore...

if that is the case, why did they name the bust of Jose Rizal in Singapore as the Great Malayan


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