A cpl of questions regarding the current population Debate

[Mi Amigo]

the first time i encountered this "race" question in singapore, i was tempted to put 'amazing' instead.

Good one! Of course, there would have been a loud 'whooshing' sound when the relevant person read the form.

[tjspence]

Just question to compare: In immigration forms or citizenship applications in Australia, UK and USA (just to name a few), does one have to state his race?

Almost any form in the US that asks your race will have a disclaimer that answering is optional, and offer a "PREFER NOT TO STATE" option.

Except of course the census.

Even on the census there's no "wrong" answer.

My lily white, blue eyed ass can claim African American and the population of the US would increase by one black man.

[nakatago]

Just question to compare: In immigration forms or citizenship applications in Australia, UK and USA (just to name a few), does one have to state his race?

Almost any form in the US that asks your race will have a disclaimer that answering is optional, and offer a "PREFER NOT TO STATE" option.

Except of course the census.

Even on the census there's no "wrong" answer.

My lily white, blue eyed ass can claim African American and the population of the US would increase by one black man.

Brother from another mother?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Or another mix up at KKH.

[JR8]

the first time i encountered this "race" question in singapore, i was tempted to put 'amazing' instead.

Good one! Of course, there would have been a loud 'whooshing' sound when the relevant person read the form.

Amazing race

or Amazing Grace?

Harlem Gospel Choir - Amazing Grace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaKf6P2nhKg


Phooo-oooo!

[Wd40]

This topic is now in TREmeritus:

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/18/ic ... alay-race/

Wonder what Nak and MoreangPinoy have to say. Are Filipino PRs really being classified as Malays???

On a seperate note there another article bashing Indians
http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/18/in ... ns-on-fts/

Looks like now the TREmeritus approach is isolate the enemy and then attack them

[nakatago]

This topic is now in TREmeritus:

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/18/ic ... alay-race/

Wonder what Nak and MoreangPinoy have to say. Are Filipino PRs really being classified as Malays???

On a seperate note there another article bashing Indians
http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/18/in ... ns-on-fts/

Looks like now the TREmeritus approach is isolate the enemy and then attack them

What I have to say cannot be said in a family-friendly situation. It's two words and the first starts with an 'f'.

[morenangpinay]

This topic is now in TREmeritus:

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/18/ic ... alay-race/

Wonder what Nak and MoreangPinoy have to say. Are Filipino PRs really being classified as Malays???

On a seperate note there another article bashing Indians
http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/18/in ... ns-on-fts/

Looks like now the TREmeritus approach is isolate the enemy and then attack them

i would like to give them a piece of my mind just to level the playing field.

[JR8]

I'm a bit confused...

They used to discourage people from having children (or more than two, which considering accidental deaths etc would seem to aim to reduce (rather than replace) the population).



But now they're talking about increasing the population?

What changed?

[sundaymorningstaple]

For all their so-called math prowess, Singaporeans couldn't count. Therefore most didn't make it to two. Had they actually followed the recommended path, they would be in the deep brown poo they are in now. They actually did it two themselves.

Singaporeans are hell-bent on making "core-Singaporeans" extinct in a dozen years or so.

[Wd40]

Its simple man. As you know, Singapore is run like a corporation. Now tell me how many corporations are able to forecast the demand and adjust the supply correctly? For much into the future?

At the time when they said stop at 2, probably they were think there were too many of them already and hence wanted to reduce the population, just like China's 1 child policy. Now the situation is different and hence the strategy.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Not true, I don't believe. Stop at two was ideal as it's just below the replacement level of 2.1 which is necessary for zero population growth or shrinkage. 2.0 allowed also for the necessary importation of those with skillsets that the gahmen deemed necessary and increases of population that would not outstrip the infrastructure. Unfortunately, half of the fertile population quit at one as they started getting more and more affluent and being able to buy and buy and take trips. They found the children were more a hindrance that a blessing. Additionally, we are talking about the generation who first had sufficient CPF to by their homes using the CPF monies to cover the mortgages which also freed up lots of disposable cash, which, being cash flush was a novelty, and it allowed them to be come material girls. That, I believe was the start of the problem, The policy was right, but they literally stopped having kids instead of just controlling the large families.

[morenangpinay]

not only that...they were selective.

"Lee Kuan Yew was recorded in 1967 as believing that "five percent" of a society's population, "who are more than ordinarily endowed physically and mentally," should be allocated the best of a country's limited resources to provide "a catalyst" for that society's progress. Such a policy for Singapore would "ensure that Singapore shall maintain its pre-eminent place" in Southeast Asia. Similar views shaped education policy and meritocracy in Singapore."-Diane K. Mauzy, Robert Stephen Milne, Singapore politics under the People's Action Party (Routledge, 2002).

"Fearing that Singapore's growing population might overburden the developing economy, Lee started a vigorous Stop at Two family planning campaign. Abortion and sterilisation were legalised in 1970, and women were urged to get sterilised after their second child. Women without a O-level degree, deemed low-income and lowly-educated, were offered by the government seven days' paid sick leave and $10,000 SGD in cash incentives to voluntarily undergo the procedure"-Mui, Teng Yap (1995). "Singapore's `Three or More' Policy: The First Five Years"

reading all that, i think they were thinking along the lines of "perfect singaporean"... that sounds like a famous anti-christ figure

[proxymoron]

Pinoys as Malays?.. IMO it sound stupid. Especially if you have been to India. Considering there are native Indians with black, brown, white and even yellow skin (Mongoloid). If they are going this way, they will have a hard time with people from sub continent.

just curious.. what are they putting in the race column for Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Banglas?

[movingtospore]

It seems the current have-a-baby push is not-so subtly directed at singapore chinese, hmm? 3rd generations sporeans who are malay and indian don't seem to count.