A cpl of questions regarding the current population Debate

morenangpinay · Post by **morenangpinay** » Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:40 pm

we have varied features even in my family... when my mom came over, people talked to her in mandarin mistaking her for chinese, while people talk to me in malay, thai, indonesian, and one boss actually called me pocahontas.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 2:44 am

morenangpinay wrote: and one boss actually called me pocahontas.

Try that in New York, even in jest, and said 'boss' and his feet wouldn't touch the ground between his desk and the gutter on the street outside.

p.s. Are there laws against racism in SG? I'm having difficulty thinking of a country that both deserves and might benefit more from the same.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 6:55 am

Not outright, that I'm aware of, only "Best Practices". How can there be laws against it when the whole HDB policy revolves around racism, regardless of how pragmatic it might be.

Barnsley · Post by **Barnsley** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 9:08 am

One of my questions has been answered in the My Point section of the online version of the local national daily.

Filipinos will be classed as "others" apparently, and this was from some senior guy at ICA

PASIR Ris-Punggol GRC MP Zainal Sapari is the guy who raised the points I had questions to, so folk might be able to find his speech about bringing in Malays doing an internet search on his parliamentary speeches

the lynx · Post by **the lynx** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 2:28 pm

Just question to compare: In immigration forms or citizenship applications in Australia, UK and USA (just to name a few), does one have to state his race?

therat · Post by **therat** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 3:19 pm

Barnsley wrote:One of my questions has been answered in the My Point section of the online version of the local national daily.

Filipinos will be classed as "others" apparently, and this was from some senior guy at ICA

PASIR Ris-Punggol GRC MP Zainal Sapari is the guy who raised the points I had questions to, so folk might be able to find his speech about bringing in Malays doing an internet search on his parliamentary speeches

I had check with my Filipino colleague who are SPR, her blue NRIC wrote: Filipino. Not others or Malay.
But she did told me, many years back when she still schooling, it was stated as Malay but Philippines government has corrected it. Now , the race put Filipino instead of Malay

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 4:25 pm

When I was here on an EP many years ago, my race was "Others". It was changed at some point prior to receiving my PR as when I received my PR, my race was listed as Caucasian.

iamsen · Post by **iamsen** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 5:26 pm

A lot of people don't believe me when I say this, but scientifically, race and ethnicity are not a real thing. What we really have are different cultures, aka, man-made boundaries and categories. People isolated in a particular landmass will tend to breed among each other, hence the similar features among the different cultures and countries especially after hundreds and thousands of generations.

Malays looking like Malays, and Phillipinos looking like Phillipinos is more an issue of macro-inbreeding than any real difference in genetic make up.

It is time for race/ethinicity as a tool for categorising people to be abolished.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 5:37 pm

You know that, I know that. Most of the people on this board know that. Problem is, without it, it doesn't let small minded people pigeon-hole people into neat little containers. Without racial profiling, there is nothing to fuel their need for differences to allow an individual to feel superior to another.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 6:03 pm

the lynx wrote:
Just question to compare: In immigration forms or citizenship applications in Australia, UK and USA (just to name a few), does one have to state his race?

Good heavens! The only people obsessed with race are those foreign jonny's over in Bongo-bongo-land. In the first world it's illegal not to love everyone equally don't you know

More seriously I checked the UK citizenship form (well, page 1 (c.30 questions), your main details, as it requires completion to proceed further) and there was nothing re: race.

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Mon, 18 Feb 2013 7:53 pm

the lynx wrote:

Just question to compare: In immigration forms or citizenship applications in Australia, UK and USA (just to name a few), does one have to state his race?

Almost any form in the US that asks your race will have a disclaimer that answering is optional, and offer a "PREFER NOT TO STATE" option.

Except of course the census.

the lynx · Post by **the lynx** » Tue, 19 Feb 2013 9:13 am

See my point?

In Malaysia, race is a HUGE thing. So huge that there are race-based political parties to meet the specific needs of the race it advocates.

And it is also a basis of a citizen's entrance to public universities. Yep, very true.

A funnier thing, you can have a desperate Chinese or Indian (or any non-Malay) converting to Islam in Malaysia to enjoy the so-called bumiputera privileges (when even the real natives themselves are being overlooked).

On paper, a Chinese/Indian Muslim convert can state himself as a bumiputera/Malay and no officer will bat an eyelid.

Barnsley · Post by **Barnsley** » Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:18 am

the lynx wrote:See my point?

In Malaysia, race is a HUGE thing. So huge that there are race-based political parties to meet the specific needs of the race it advocates.

And it is also a basis of a citizen's entrance to public universities. Yep, very true.

A funnier thing, you can have a desperate Chinese or Indian (or any non-Malay) converting to Islam in Malaysia to enjoy the so-called bumiputera privileges (when even the real natives themselves are being overlooked).

On paper, a Chinese/Indian Muslim convert can state himself as a bumiputera/Malay and no officer will bat an eyelid.

It would appear they like their religious intolerance up north as well. I just read that one of the political parties in Malaysia is organising a bible burning session!!!!

the lynx · Post by **the lynx** » Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:25 am

Barnsley wrote:
the lynx wrote:See my point?

In Malaysia, race is a HUGE thing. So huge that there are race-based political parties to meet the specific needs of the race it advocates.

And it is also a basis of a citizen's entrance to public universities. Yep, very true.

A funnier thing, you can have a desperate Chinese or Indian (or any non-Malay) converting to Islam in Malaysia to enjoy the so-called bumiputera privileges (when even the real natives themselves are being overlooked).

On paper, a Chinese/Indian Muslim convert can state himself as a bumiputera/Malay and no officer will bat an eyelid.
It would appear they like their religious intolerance up north as well. I just read that one of the political parties in Malaysia is organising a bible burning session!!!!

It takes two to tango. Honestly sometimes the Christians there are over-zealous in their evangelical pursuits to the extent that they overstep the fine line by criticizing other religions to compare, infringe local laws (no proselytising in mosques, no conversion of Muslims to apostasy) and even basic courtesy.

morenangpinay · Post by **morenangpinay** » Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:59 am

JR8 wrote:
morenangpinay wrote: and one boss actually called me pocahontas.
Try that in New York, even in jest, and said 'boss' and his feet wouldn't touch the ground between his desk and the gutter on the street outside.

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eh i dont mind, we are referring to the disney version so shes fine to me

the first time i encountered this "race" question in singapore, i was tempted to put 'amazing' instead.

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