Can you post link to the article or which website it is or some keywords to google?Barnsley wrote:1. I read in the paper today one MP asked if companies were out there actively seeking Malay PMETs and if not why not?
Isn't the whole issue about foreigners coming here and taking the PMET positions from locals, if so how would bringing Malays in help matters?
2. Below that article was something about race definition and that new Filipino citizens would be defined as Malay?
Is Malay a generic word used for folk from SEA then?
Otherwise why would Filipino's be classed as Malay?
I really find the obsession with race stupid. Why would they blanket Filipinos under Malay? There are Chinese, Indian, European, etc Filipinos too. It's not even about culture--it's genetics.Barnsley wrote:Otherwise why would Filipino's be classed as Malay?
Apparently because of one German guy:Barnsley wrote:1. I read in the paper today one MP asked if companies were out there actively seeking Malay PMETs and if not why not?
Isn't the whole issue about foreigners coming here and taking the PMET positions from locals, if so how would bringing Malays in help matters?
2. Below that article was something about race definition and that new Filipino citizens would be defined as Malay?
Is Malay a generic word used for folk from SEA then?
Otherwise why would Filipino's be classed as Malay?
There is some logic to it. Chinese, Indians and Europeans are distinctly different in skin and features.nakatago wrote:I really find the obsession with race stupid. Why would they blanket Filipinos under Malay? There are Chinese, Indian, European, etc Filipinos too. It's not even about culture--it's genetics.Barnsley wrote:Otherwise why would Filipino's be classed as Malay?
Just to troll them, I once put "Pacific Islander" for race in a form. It was for kayaking.
It seems that SG gov believes in racial identity to be stronger than the national. In such diversified region they are probably right.nakatago wrote:I really find the obsession with race stupid. Why would they blanket Filipinos under Malay? There are Chinese, Indian, European, etc Filipinos too. It's not even about culture--it's genetics.Barnsley wrote:Otherwise why would Filipino's be classed as Malay?
Just to troll them, I once put "Pacific Islander" for race in a form. It was for kayaking.
they're marginalized, i think, despite being equally qualified.Barnsley wrote:1. I read in the paper today one MP asked if companies were out there actively seeking Malay PMETs and if not why not?
Isn't the whole issue about foreigners coming here and taking the PMET positions from locals, if so how would bringing Malays in help matters?
Well, the operative word from my post was "blanket."Wd40 wrote:There is some logic to it. Chinese, Indians and Europeans are distinctly different in skin and features.nakatago wrote:I really find the obsession with race stupid. Why would they blanket Filipinos under Malay? There are Chinese, Indian, European, etc Filipinos too. It's not even about culture--it's genetics.Barnsley wrote:Otherwise why would Filipino's be classed as Malay?
Just to troll them, I once put "Pacific Islander" for race in a form. It was for kayaking.
Lets take Europe as an example. Spanish and Portuguese are very similar just that language is different but they dont seperate them as different races.
Similarly Malays from Malaysia and Filipinos from Philipines are facial features wise almost similar and hence there is no reason why to segregate them into different races.
If that was the case, then every country will be a different race.
I think you're wide of the mark, and you're mixing up race with nationality.Wd40 wrote:There is some logic to it. Chinese, Indians and Europeans are distinctly different in skin and features.
Lets take Europe as an example. Spanish and Portuguese are very similar just that language is different but they dont seperate them as different races.
Similarly Malays from Malaysia and Filipinos from Philipines are facial features wise almost similar and hence there is no reason why to segregate them into different races.
If that was the case, then every country will be a different race.
Spain and Portugal was just an example, may be a bad one. Like you said you can distinguish between Filipinos and Malays, by the same vein, I think its possible to distinguish between a British and a Russian? Or a Italian and a Pole? Yet the whole of Europe is called a single race isnt it? Hence my reasoning that Malay, Filipino etc are same race.JR8 wrote:I think you're wide of the mark, and you're mixing up race with nationality.Wd40 wrote:There is some logic to it. Chinese, Indians and Europeans are distinctly different in skin and features.
Lets take Europe as an example. Spanish and Portuguese are very similar just that language is different but they dont seperate them as different races.
Similarly Malays from Malaysia and Filipinos from Philipines are facial features wise almost similar and hence there is no reason why to segregate them into different races.
If that was the case, then every country will be a different race.
Spain and Portugal form the bulk of the Iberian Peninsular
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsular
The national boundary diving the two is modern-day and political. The people's of the two countries have been free to roam to and fro since year dot. That is why Portuguese and Spanish look similar.
However I strongly disagree that Malays (bumiputra) look like ('your typical') Philippino. I can usually distinguish the latter based on eye-shape alone.
Sorry for slow reply have been rather ill so not been online.Wd40 wrote:Can you post link to the article or which website it is or some keywords to google?Barnsley wrote:1. I read in the paper today one MP asked if companies were out there actively seeking Malay PMETs and if not why not?
Isn't the whole issue about foreigners coming here and taking the PMET positions from locals, if so how would bringing Malays in help matters?
2. Below that article was something about race definition and that new Filipino citizens would be defined as Malay?
Is Malay a generic word used for folk from SEA then?
Otherwise why would Filipino's be classed as Malay?
When I google for Malay PMET I get only results from the sites like transitioning.org or tremeritus.
I am 100% sure that your 1st question, the MP asked is about local Malays. Typically when the term Malay is used in its own in Singapore, it refers to local Malay race and your second questions; Filipinos are not Malays. Its like saying Germans are Spanish.
Malays are only native Maleyu speakers in Malaysia and Singapore. Even Indonesians who have very strong links to Maleyu and Malay are not classified as Malays.
Filipinos are totally different. Although their language has some words and links to the Maleyu language, culturally they are completely different. Mostly Christians and have Spanish names, Spanish or American accent and whole lot European/western oriented.
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