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Citizen Application by Indian

Postby nowhere » Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:34 pm

o i chanced upon this website and I realise it is close to impossible for an Indian to get their SG citizen application approved.

btw, are moderators and the senior contributors from indonesia?

anyways, i was going to apply for citizenship but have second thoughts.
been in sg for last 13 years - mostly studying and after completing masters from nus i was offered PR in 2009 ( i guess it was those time when we used to complete our studies from nus/ntu, ica would invite us to become PR) - had got similar invitation after my bachelors from nus.

now, working in one of the Ministries as civil servant (oh they say officer). salary is <5k and already 32 years, single.

any Indians over here who got their application approved? what was your profile like?
any others who would like to give their feedback. thanks.

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Re: Citizen Application by Indian

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:06 am

nowhere wrote:btw, are moderators and the senior contributors from indonesia?



No, why?

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Re: Citizen Application by Indian

Postby Wd40 » Sat, 09 Feb 2013 4:31 am

nowhere wrote:so i chanced upon this website and I realise it is close to impossible for an Indian to get their SG citizen application approved.

btw, are moderators and the senior contributors from indonesia?

anyways, i was going to apply for citizenship but have second thoughts.
been in sg for last 13 years - mostly studying and after completing masters from nus i was offered PR in 2009 ( i guess it was those time when we used to complete our studies from nus/ntu, ica would invite us to become PR) - had got similar invitation after my bachelors from nus.

now, working in one of the Ministries as civil servant (oh they say officer). salary is <5k and already 32 years, single.

any Indians over here who got their application approved? what was your profile like?
any others who would like to give their feedback. thanks.



Regarding salary, people here have commented before that 5k is a low salary for citizenship. Being a masters from NUS, I am sure you are not doing enough justice to your qualifications. You can do much better than that salarywise. But then again I am not amongst the people who value a person on the basis of his salary but rather on the role he plays in the economy and society.

Being single at 32 for an Indian is also not going to help for citizenship application. Indians typically marry at the age of 28 and have a baby already by 32 so you will not be looked upon favorably during a time when they want to increase population.

I dont see much hope. My suggestion is have your PR renewed and then apply for citizenship.

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Re: Citizen Application by Indian

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 09 Feb 2013 6:58 am

nowhere wrote:.... after completing masters from nus i was offered PR in 2009 ( i guess it was those time when we used to complete our studies from nus/ntu, ica would invite us to become PR) - had got similar invitation after my bachelors from nus..



Frankly, the best thing you can do is just work on the EP as long as they will have you as you are not likely to be approved for PR let alone citizenship. Why, you ask? Because you snubbed them not once, but twice. They have a very long memory. Because you turned it down two times they are not likely to every give it to you. We see this a lot in the past two years from guys who didn't take it up when offered.

Make all the money you can. Save all you can. Then return to your country of origin.

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Postby enslaved » Sun, 10 Feb 2013 2:25 pm

Yup, the OP asks a question: Any Indians got the citizenship application approved recently?

I too want to know.

(2 years ago one who have a couple kids and a flat, and a high paid job in bank got approved for his entire family. He deserved it I believe)

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Postby singaporeflyer » Sun, 10 Feb 2013 7:35 pm

enslaved wrote:Yup, the OP asks a question: Any Indians got the citizenship application approved recently?

I too want to know.

(2 years ago one who have a couple kids and a flat, and a high paid job in bank got approved for his entire family. He deserved it I believe)


Sorry to say this, but two applications are never the same. Even if there was any application that was approved recently, it may not be relevant to compare it with another applicant.

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Re: Citizen Application by Indian

Postby nowhere » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 1:53 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:

Frankly, the best thing you can do is just work on the EP as long as they will have you as you are not likely to be approved for PR let alone citizenship. Why, you ask?


I guess I was not explicit in mentioning that I had accepted the PR invitation back in 2009 after completing Masters degree. The previous PR invitation, which was after completing Bachelors degree, I didn't accept because I wanted to pursue a Masters (dual)- probably because i was offered scholarships from local univ and MIT.

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Postby nowhere » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 2:00 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Sorry to say this, but two applications are never the same. Even if there was any application that was approved recently, it may not be relevant to compare it with another applicant.


Indeed, I agree 2 applications are never same, but if possible, we can still come up with profiles of who got selected and who didn't. There are many criteria that goes into a successful application, and most of them are interlinked/related. Yet, if we know what works and what doesn't work, we can try to minimise the negatives in our application.

By the way, what about the Initial Check at ICA? I heard, that they do an initial check before we submit the citizenship application. What if they say that we can go ahead with our application? Does it mean chances of approval is higher or it simply means that one has met the minimum criteria and the application can proceed to the next stage, which will be examined against other potential applicants?

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Re: Citizen Application by Indian

Postby nowhere » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 2:13 pm

Wd40 wrote: edited.


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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 2:20 pm

nowhere wrote:What if they say that we can go ahead with our application? Does it mean chances of approval is higher or it simply means that one has met the minimum criteria and the application can proceed to the next stage, which will be examined against other potential applicants?


Wrong on both counts. If they say you can proceed with your application, it just means you have met the "filing of application" criteria, nothing more. There is no proceeding to the next stage where you are examined against other applicants. You are not compared and the best wins. Therefore, if there are 1000 applicants or only yourself, your chances are exactly the same.

You are each examined individually and then the officers decide if they believe the applicant will be a "good" fit in Singapore as a Citizen or not. This is also governed by ethnic demographic considerations as well, of which you cannot lie about your race/nationality, nor can you leave it off.

There are no profiles and no list of negatives as each is taken in as a whole. They never, ever tell you the exact reasons for rejection. Unless you had access to every successful applicant and rejection over a 10 year period, all the scattered bits of data you try to collect here is just likely to get you denied as you don't know if your "brothers" are shafting you as well. Additionally, the criteria changes periodically, in line with the direction the country is trying to go. As we have seen by the 2011 GE, they are rapidly changing courses every couple of months as they find tune things that went wrong. The saying goes, there is no loyalty among theives. That goes for just about everybody vying for a position, everywhere in the world. Nobody is going to give up everything. One always keeps an Ace in the Hole.

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Re: Citizen Application by Indian

Postby Wd40 » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 2:53 pm

nowhere wrote:
Oh! I hope the ICA doesn't stereotype Indians :-( i know 32 is quite old, but then again, if I had a baby by now and say supposingly it was a girl child, then again, the chances of approval would have dropped ? As I read in one of the posts in another thread mentioning that having a male baby improves the chances as he will be going through NS.

But, with all the uproar about population rise till 2030, do you think the ICA might not look too negatively being single at 32?

My renewal for PR (entry permit) will be in 2014. So lets see. Will start working on improving chances of acceptance for renewal of PR and then like you have mentioned apply for citizenship afterwards (depending on the outcome).



There is no way to confirm that having a male child is positive vs no male child. There have been cases here where new born males of PR parents have been denied PR and there are cases where a couple with a female child have been granted PR. But very rarely a single person gets PR, nowadays. Citizenship is a more stringent process so I wouldnt really bet on it.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 4:21 pm

Actually if you have a good degree and are a single Malaysian Chinese female, your chances are pretty good.

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Postby lolipop99 » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 9:52 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Actually if you have a good degree and are a single Malaysian Chinese female, your chances are pretty good.


Malaysian Chinese are a different type of applicants I think, they may have very simple criteria for this groups such as basic income, ages, education etc.. Even the PR quota in HDB also have a different class for Malaysian PR where they are exempted from ethnic quota unlike PRs from other countries. So by a similar thinking, I am sure that there is a quota for PR from other countries and Malaysian Chinese are exempted from this quota which explains why it is easier for them

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:34 pm

Nope. Totally incorrect. unless you count the fact that the only "quota" isn't a quota at all, but a realigning of the demographic percentages that was traditional here up until 2000 when Singapore started giving out way too many PR & citizenships to Indian IT specialists in their fear, number one, of the Y2K syndrome and later the push to be a IT hub. Now, there are two ways to sort out the demographics in as short a time as possible, restrict the PR & citizenships granted to Indian Nationals unless they are "really" bringing something to the table and allowing Malaysian Chinese very easy access as they are similar to Singaporean Chinese and assimilate the easiest, followed distantly by Indonesian Chinese (falling further and further behind) and PRCs even further behind because they seem to be just like those from the subcontinent as far as assimilation purposes are concerned.

As for the HDB you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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Re: Citizen Application by Indian

Postby nowhere » Sun, 22 Sep 2013 2:20 pm

Wd40 wrote:
nowhere wrote: edited

any Indians over here who got their application approved? what was your profile like?
any others who would like to give their feedback. thanks.



I dont see much hope. My suggestion is have your PR renewed and then apply for citizenship.


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